Re: [新聞] 翻譯錯一堆洪蘭暢銷書可退

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: → velvetavt:我在王偉雄教授那篤"不要臉的劣譯"底下的網友回覆看到有 09/13 16:47 篇(打錯字,sorry) : → velvetavt:人轉貼據說是Kahneman回信的文耶~ 是7月下旬那時候有讀 09/13 16:49 : → velvetavt:者e-mail問他那句洪蘭譯錯(紙筆、心算那句)的英文到底是 09/13 16:50 : → velvetavt:什麼意思，Kahneman只回了一句，把那句話用另外的方式講 09/13 16:52 : → velvetavt:一篇。但是沒什麼助普我覺得，因為他好像以為我們是看不 09/13 16:52 益 : → velvetavt:懂雙重否定，其實那句大家看不懂的應該是它的略用法吧 09/13 16:53 省略用法 : → velvetavt:但從Kahneman(假設真是他回的)的回覆可知，洪蘭確實翻錯 09/13 16:54 : → velvetavt:王偉雄翻的才的對的，那篇文底下蠻多人戰他翻錯XD 09/13 16:55 : → velvetavt:sorry,我又打錯字，我上面是說Kahneman把那句話用另外的 09/13 16:56 : → velvetavt:方式講一遍。 09/13 16:56 : → velvetavt:我把留言用回文的好了，免得大家眼花。 09/13 16:59 先註明一下，被討論的原文是: You knew immediately that this is a multiplication problem, and probably knew that you could solve it, with paper and pencil, if not without. 洪蘭譯成: 你立刻知道這是一個乘法的問題，如果你有紙和筆的話你會算算看。如果沒有紙筆的話，你就不會做，因為你知道自己的心算能力。王偉雄譯(他文中只譯後半段): 即使不能心算，用紙筆當可計出答案。 ================================================ 以下為王偉雄Blog上的網友留言: 匿名9/05/2013 6:15 下午來湊湊熱鬧，自由時報的讀者留言有人說電郵給 Kahneman 問 “if not without” 的意思，Kahneman 回覆說意思是 “You can solve it with paper and pencil, but perhaps not without“. 假如真是 Kahneman，那就證明王教授是對的，樓上11神童可能要補習英文了。 *********************************************** 以下是原作者回的mail，供大家參考；滿驚訝作者會回mail。有些留言版不允許有mail address，所以將小老鼠符號以逗點代替。 Daniel Kahneman 2013年7月21日下午12:28 收件者： ******, gmail.com> You can solve it with paper and pencil, but perhaps not without. From: *****, gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:50 PM To: Daniel Kahneman Subject: problem about translation, Please HELP! Dear Dr.Daniel Kahneman: I am reading your book 『Thinkink, FAST and SLOW』. I am confused by context on page 20. Following in blue font are parts of page 20. Now look at the following problem: 17 × 24 You knew immediately that this is a multiplication problem, and probably knew that you could solve it, with paper and pencil, if not without. what is right message you want to express: 1.you certainly could solve it with paper, and you also could solve it even without using a paper and pencil. 2.You can't solve it without using a paper and pencil, you certainly can solve it if you do use them. Sorry to bother you with such question. Forgive me my poor english. ========================================================== 我想Kahneman大概蠻吃驚會被問這種問題吧XD (如果這封信是真的) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.166.122.193

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