[知識] 節食一定掉肌肉?

看板FITNESS作者 (非斷不可)時間7年前 (2017/02/24 21:45), 7年前編輯推噓-24(63075)
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節食一定掉肌肉? 原則可能是如此,但節食再加上重訓呢? i'm sorry,答案可能不是如你想的那樣。來看下列的研究,看是不是肌肉掉光光。 http://cristivlad.com/resistance-training-under-caloric- restriction-enhances-muscle-maintenance/ 原文。不用錢。 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/47/1/19.full.pdf+html Resistance Training under Caloric Restriction Enhances Muscle Maintenance 受試者 40 obese women, randomly assigned to four different groups 四組 控制組 control (C) 節食組 diet without exercise (DO) 節食加重訓組 diet + weight training (DPE) 重訓組 weight training without diet (EO) 時間 8-week weight-loss study 節食餐 Subjects' baseline energy requirements were calculated at 2,200-2,500 kcals per day and then reduced by 1,000 kcals for the calorie restricted groups. 重訓菜單 As for the exercising protocol, the subjects from EO and DPE had to do resistance training 3 times a week. Each session included: – bench press – inverse leg press – lateral pulldown – biceps curls – triceps extension – calf raises – leg extension – hamstring curl They had to do 3 sets of each exercise: the first 2 sets consisting of 10 repetitions, while the last set required doing repetitions to failure. Once the subjects were able to complete more than 12 repetitions in the third set, resistance (load) had to be increased. I suspect they were shooting for anaerobic training. 結論 請看連結裡的圖示,有用紅筆圈起來 控制組什麼都沒啥變 節食組瘦了4-5kg,但也確掉了1kg肌肉 重訓組體重沒啥變,肌肉成長了1kg 最精采的節食加重訓組呢? 體脂掉最多,但肌肉卻沒啥動,還稍微增加了一點點 也就是說跟節食組比,肌肉沒掉 跟重訓組比,卻減了很多脂肪,可以說同時結合了這兩組的優點 而且節食加重訓組的力量跟純重訓組也差不多,都提升了一些,比控制組跟節食組高 筆者最後也有提到 Had these subjects have their dietary protocol optimized away from a high-carb regimen, I suspect results would've been even more significant. What I am eager to see is studies conducted on healthy lean adult subjects following a well formulated low calorie high-fat (60%-70%), low protein (15%-25%), very-low-carb (10-15%) ketogenic protocol (keto-adapted would be even better) doing resistance weight training in comparison with other significantly different protocols. 似乎暗示生同或低碳飲食的效果會更不一樣。 有人認為我是節食加重訓,ok有這樣的研究,不掉肌肉有很意外嗎? 很有趣的是這段,筆者說..... Caloric restriction is uncool. It usually leads to increased hunger, bad mood, and cold limbs among others (not if you're keto-adapted). Plus, the power of the supplement industry and bro-science were almost always dictating the trend. If you don’t train 3-4 times a week 1-2 hours every session and if you don’t consume a ton of protein, you will lose muscle and you will die (please excuse my sarcasm). 哈哈,真的滿好笑的。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 27.147.46.218 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/FITNESS/M.1487943949.A.466.html ※ 編輯: circlelee (27.147.46.218), 02/24/2017 21:50:38

02/24 21:53, , 1F
這作者需要你,他想知道低蛋白、低碳水攝取的重訓結果 XD
02/24 21:53, 1F

02/24 21:59, , 2F
很有趣的分享,但你的翻譯也太隨便了 = =
02/24 21:59, 2F

02/24 22:02, , 3F
受到jack大感召才決定來一篇,但小弟翻譯能力實在有限
02/24 22:02, 3F

02/24 22:04, , 4F
能力有限就請閉嘴 別丟些不完整的文章誤導人好嗎
02/24 22:04, 4F

02/24 22:05, , 5F
對人不對事,別侮辱 leangain,要我丟論文你看嗎?
02/24 22:05, 5F

02/24 22:12, , 6F
我只問你一句,你真的認為肌肉會一夜之間全掉光?
02/24 22:12, 6F
※ 編輯: circlelee (27.147.46.218), 02/24/2017 22:15:03

02/24 22:13, , 7F
假如你知道生長需要時間,那分解也需要時間你也能理解吧?
02/24 22:13, 7F

02/24 22:14, , 8F
既然如此,那你對你自己身體一個月內沒有變無肌,有疑問嗎?
02/24 22:14, 8F

02/24 22:14, , 9F
你也沒有真的監控你的肌肉量,你手上只有一張inbody
02/24 22:14, 9F

02/24 22:15, , 10F
別說得好像你已經監控好幾次了好嗎,你真沒掉的證據?
02/24 22:15, 10F

02/24 22:18, , 11F
現在重點已非我掉不掉的問題,人家研究擺明如此
02/24 22:18, 11F

02/24 22:18, , 12F
既然你那麼有自信,那請你今後推廣修正為你是重訓後節食
02/24 22:18, 12F

02/24 22:20, , 13F
說我在倡導害人的運動方式,給我警告,真的無言.....
02/24 22:20, 13F

02/24 22:22, , 14F
你現在是要嗆版主給你警告了?還是嗆版主只給你警告?
02/24 22:22, 14F

02/24 22:23, , 15F
com不是最愛說我騙人,說我節食。就算節食又怎樣?
02/24 22:23, 15F

02/24 22:23, , 16F
有重訓的話,仍然可以維持肌肉
02/24 22:23, 16F

02/24 22:24, , 17F
等你第二張,然後每個月一張,長期監控才能還你清白
02/24 22:24, 17F

02/24 22:25, , 18F
更何況,我從來沒叫人節食。我是倡導低碳、斷食、重訓
02/24 22:25, 18F

02/24 22:25, , 19F
再說我問了你至少三次把你平時吃的東西PO出來,你都無視
02/24 22:25, 19F

02/24 22:26, , 20F
你只是原本以為自己是斷食,後來才被發現玩成節食而已
02/24 22:26, 20F

02/24 22:26, , 21F
種種研究都顯示,維持肌肉是要靠重訓,而非單靠吃
02/24 22:26, 21F

02/24 22:27, , 22F
一堆人喊高蛋白才不會掉肌,我說迷思有錯嗎?
02/24 22:27, 22F

02/24 22:27, , 23F
問題是你的重訓量有沒有讓你維持肌肉呢
02/24 22:27, 23F

02/24 22:28, , 24F
不就是我貼的最後一段,筆者在那邊諷剌、笑死
02/24 22:28, 24F

02/24 22:29, , 25F
所以你的重訓有沒有讓你維持肌肉呢
02/24 22:29, 25F

02/24 22:33, , 26F
有重訓的手比女生更
02/24 22:33, 26F

02/24 22:33, , 27F
幼嫩Q彈,BMI還要低,當然很有道理
02/24 22:33, 27F

02/24 22:34, , 28F
你有沒有發現你騎虎難下了?第二張出來也好,到第幾張你沒
02/24 22:34, 28F

02/24 22:35, , 29F
持平,甚至肌肉出現下降了,你到時候要怎麼自圓其說
02/24 22:35, 29F

02/24 22:36, , 30F
離第一張30天還有6天,這期間你自己思考一下
02/24 22:36, 30F

02/24 22:41, , 31F
人家斷食重訓有吃bcaa,你是斷食重訓還不吃夠蛋白質,一
02/24 22:41, 31F

02/24 22:41, , 32F
般幹嘛腦殘去做明顯對身體不利的事情。
02/24 22:41, 32F

02/24 22:42, , 33F
*節食重訓
02/24 22:42, 33F

02/24 22:42, , 34F
我吃的不多,但蛋白質真的比例算高
02/24 22:42, 34F

02/24 22:43, , 35F
他這篇開始正名自己是節食重訓了,看看他文章多有自信
02/24 22:43, 35F

02/24 22:43, , 36F
推錯,你自己斷食重訓不要亂教別人, leangain做請做
02/24 22:43, 36F

02/24 22:43, , 37F
全套不要做半套自殘。
02/24 22:43, 37F

02/24 22:43, , 38F
circlelee: 一堆人喊高蛋白才不會掉肌,我說迷思有錯嗎?
02/24 22:43, 38F
還有 34 則推文
02/24 23:37, , 73F
所以這篇整篇的立足點,也就是重訓節食...?
02/24 23:37, 73F

02/24 23:40, , 74F
或許我措詞不佳,但大家確實可以參考一下這篇研究
02/24 23:40, 74F

02/24 23:40, , 75F
誰鬧了,哪個不是事實?
02/24 23:40, 75F

02/24 23:43, , 76F
可是我看你咬定了是重訓+節食還信誓旦旦
02/24 23:43, 76F

02/24 23:44, , 77F
甚至還檢討起版主警告你來著...?
02/24 23:44, 77F

02/25 00:16, , 78F
你老愛拿一堆研究來背書 但你做的都只有半套還敢說嘴
02/25 00:16, 78F

02/25 00:18, , 79F
說你哪裡沒控制好沒監控好你就自創新定義腦補
02/25 00:18, 79F

02/25 00:38, , 80F
真的是很可悲 死不認錯就是了 越來越覺得你只是為反而反
02/25 00:38, 80F

02/25 00:45, , 81F
這篇研究有數據可以參考 那你的數據呢?
02/25 00:45, 81F

02/25 01:11, , 82F
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02/25 08:18, , 83F
lonelyheaven好兇哦XDD
02/25 08:18, 83F
※ 編輯: circlelee (211.75.174.139), 02/25/2017 08:48:43

02/25 09:10, , 84F
\ 我們圈粉是一定要朝聖教主的 /
02/25 09:10, 84F

02/25 09:28, , 85F
補一個拿鐵c,我哪有兇,屁屎好嗎~
02/25 09:28, 85F

02/25 09:33, , 86F
圈李原本不丟原文,感覺是要刻意誤導??
02/25 09:33, 86F

02/25 10:03, , 87F
好 我先噓完 再參考文章
02/25 10:03, 87F

02/25 10:56, , 88F
老愛拿一堆研究來背書 但你做的只有半套還敢說嘴+1
02/25 10:56, 88F

02/25 11:55, , 89F
整天在推一些亂七八糟自己東拼西湊的東西
02/25 11:55, 89F

02/25 12:40, , 90F
為何不桶
02/25 12:40, 90F

02/25 12:52, , 91F
吃炸G囉
02/25 12:52, 91F

02/25 13:28, , 92F
阿伯還是回去吃炸雞吧XDDD
02/25 13:28, 92F

02/25 15:27, , 93F
原來是節食阿 我還以為是斷食呀
02/25 15:27, 93F

02/25 15:27, , 94F
吉野家不配飯 喝拿鐵瞜
02/25 15:27, 94F

02/25 15:28, , 95F
圈李,我今天驗完了,你啥時驗?照牙醫說法,我有嚴重
02/25 15:28, 95F

02/25 15:28, , 96F
阻抗,但照史考特醫生的類型是完全正常,怎麼辦?斷是
02/25 15:28, 96F

02/25 15:29, , 97F
不斷?
02/25 15:29, 97F

02/25 15:29, , 98F
我猜他不知道你說的牙醫是指誰
02/25 15:29, 98F

02/25 15:32, , 99F
圈李:斷!斷就對了!
02/25 15:32, 99F

02/25 15:33, , 100F
斷 都斷
02/25 15:33, 100F

02/25 15:34, , 101F
拿別人的論文來吵架就是賤
02/25 15:34, 101F

02/25 15:38, , 102F
牙醫他一定知道,他鐵粉欸XD
02/25 15:38, 102F

02/25 16:10, , 103F
d86你好狠 XD ... 雖然卡夫去世了唉
02/25 16:10, 103F

02/25 20:57, , 104F
基本上這時候他就會裝作沒看到了啦
02/25 20:57, 104F

02/25 22:21, , 105F
頂多回你 謝謝指教
02/25 22:21, 105F

02/26 00:38, , 106F
自以為專業 搞笑
02/26 00:38, 106F

02/26 01:07, , 107F
你到底哪時要po體態照 生酮王
02/26 01:07, 107F

02/26 01:23, , 108F
又開始奢口不理了
02/26 01:23, 108F

02/26 11:23, , 109F
這樣不用桶嗎
02/26 11:23, 109F

02/26 17:53, , 110F
這邊射後不理轉戰肌肉版
02/26 17:53, 110F

02/26 18:44, , 111F
補虛 沒料的假生酮仔 生酮混不下去 改混斷食
02/26 18:44, 111F
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