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8F推: 死了幾個老婆?03/04 19:31
9F→: 那三個可都是殺妻兇手的女兒喔03/04 19:31
34F噓: 笑死 連自己兒媳都敢逼死的垃圾談什麼被黑03/10 19:50
35F→: 還是你又要扯什麼崔家還是雙子鬥爭了03/10 19:51
17F推: 所以其實就是你有沒有辦法讓多數人相信02/22 21:45
18F→: 能直接從皇帝那得到認證最好 退一步也要設法讓當時的皇族02/22 21:46
19F→: 相信你真的是他們的兄弟02/22 21:46
7F推: 劉備:那個 登庸的按鍵沒顯示 對不起QQ12/12 12:46
39F推: 那個.....包拯不能叫展護衛刺殺曹操嗎05/06 21:56
64F推: 話說臧洪真的有讓袁紹歎其才的能力嗎 照時間點田楷在齊地03/16 19:45
65F→: 攻略時臧應該也拿了青州刺史頭銜 青州刺史VS青州刺史03/16 19:46
66F→: 兩年後還是袁紹換上袁譚才擊退田楷的03/16 19:47
67F→: 這樣看起來袁譚領兵能力應該還在臧洪之上?03/16 19:47
68F→: (或者其實田楷比想像中強?跟那個一戰就吃便當的嚴綱不一03/16 19:49
69F→: 樣?)03/16 19:49
91F推: 袁紹還有高幹的并州吧 後者手上也有能進攻的兵力02/23 14:58
2F噓: 我只知道愛美麗絕對過譽01/03 07:23
21F推: 這就是前面我懷疑的張郃跟淳于瓊未必是在同一時間跟曹軍06/13 19:41
22F→: 接戰 所以張郃打到一段時間聽到風聲也不是不可能06/13 19:41
4F推: 張郃高覽攻不下來怕回去被老闆跟參謀追究 而且張郃前面就06/08 17:24
5F→: 主張過要先救烏巢然後被打槍06/08 17:24
6F→: 袁紹幕僚群自鬥也已經是有例可循的 你意見相左打仗也沒贏06/08 17:25
7F→: 心理難道不會毛毛的?06/08 17:25
16F推: 一開始全力救烏巢 就算沒救下至少張高不會走掉06/08 18:50
35F推: 不是沒有糧草投降吧 是怕回去之後被怪罪06/08 22:29
36F→: 紹軍潰。圖慙,又更譖郃曰:「郃快軍敗,出言不遜。」郃06/08 22:30
37F→: 懼,乃歸太祖。06/08 22:30
38F→: 就算只看張郃傳 也沒說他直接在曹操本營前面投降 照描述06/08 22:31
39F→: 是回去時聽到郭圖有講話(或者返回中途聽到什麼風聲) 才投06/08 22:31
40F→: 祥曹操06/08 22:32
41F→: 如果張郃先敗或者雙方失利時間差不多 中間有傳令互通消息06/08 22:33
42F→: 也是有可能發現對方那邊(先投降or有怪聲)不對勁06/08 22:34
43F→: 看了三方(武帝紀袁紹傳張郃傳)紀載 感覺中間是存在個怎講06/08 22:38
44F→: 都能通的模糊時間帶(烏巢破~張郃降)06/08 22:38
45F→: 淳于瓊固然是在被攻打的那個晚上敗北,但張郃是否也真在06/08 22:53
46F→: 同個晚上與曹軍接戰,看來也沒提(至少張郃傳沒說是在晚06/08 22:53
47F→: 上攻本營,說不定隔天早上才抵達)。06/08 22:53
48F→: 此外張郃傳說的紹軍潰是不是等於袁紹傳講的紹衆大潰?或06/08 22:58
49F→: 者前者單指烏巢失利而已?06/08 22:58
13F→: 這版也有觀點是其實袁家的資源其實沒大家想的那麼豐沛06/08 22:54