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作者: okcool - 發表於 2018/07/28 21:08(5年前)
54F推tim1112: 哪來這麼多搭架61.61.26.182 07/28 06:44
56F→tim1112: 現實上就是大家能省就省 你把搭架錢報進61.61.26.182 07/28 06:45
57F→tim1112: 去 就拿不到標案61.61.26.182 07/28 06:45
59F推tim1112: 還有很多是要馬上進場作的 搭架要有專門61.61.26.182 07/28 06:47
60F→tim1112: 具證照的場商來作 他們也是先看現場再報61.61.26.182 07/28 06:47
61F→tim1112: 價 當中有多少時間？61.61.26.182 07/28 06:47
65F推tim1112: 要焊茅點也是可以 前提是大家同意你焊東61.61.26.182 07/28 06:49
66F→tim1112: 西在現場且你是有照焊工61.61.26.182 07/28 06:49
68F→tim1112: 現場有他案的吊車且位置不遠的話 直接談61.61.26.182 07/28 06:50
69F→tim1112: 托吊一下可能是幾千而已61.61.26.182 07/28 06:51
70F→tim1112: 另外叫的話可能要看噸數 好像第一小時是61.61.26.182 07/28 06:52
71F→tim1112: 一筆 後面再按小時累加另一金額61.61.26.182 07/28 06:52
73F推tim1112: 如果是複合型的包商 焊工搭架或吊車也許61.61.26.182 07/28 06:55
74F→tim1112: 都還有辦法 只是請冷氣行師父的話 大概就61.61.26.182 07/28 06:55
75F→tim1112: 只能準備安全帶或檢測儀器這些個人工具61.61.26.182 07/28 06:56
77F推tim1112: 原PO說的外牆 如果是占用馬路的話還得另61.61.26.182 07/28 06:58
78F→tim1112: 外申請 時間跟成本上都未必是你能決定的61.61.26.182 07/28 06:59
80F→tim1112: (吊車)61.61.26.182 07/28 06:59
82F→tim1112: 所以我贊同原PO由業主裝錨點的建議61.61.26.182 07/28 07:00
91F推tim1112: 因為報價是一層一層的 上面殺價成功 一定61.61.26.182 07/28 07:04
92F→tim1112: 是下面每一層個殺一點所得 至於殺的是什61.61.26.182 07/28 07:05
93F→tim1112: 麼就是看良心跟守法了61.61.26.182 07/28 07:05
95F→tim1112: 也許是安全護具上沒被殺價 但用料或師父61.61.26.182 07/28 07:07
96F→tim1112: 品質或者工期被妥協61.61.26.182 07/28 07:07
102F推tim1112: 大廠對工安的態度表面上都有教育訓練很重61.61.26.182 07/28 07:17
104F→tim1112: 視 還會定期拍照開單 實際上的心態就是"61.61.26.182 07/28 07:18
105F→tim1112: 我已經形式上訓練了喔 不要再死在我場內61.61.26.182 07/28 07:18
106F→tim1112: 讓我們監工跟主管出事"61.61.26.182 07/28 07:18
107F→tim1112: 但這並不是真正重視安全的態度61.61.26.182 07/28 07:18
108F→tim1112: 比如說他們就不會管購買設備 廠外製作時61.61.26.182 07/28 07:20
109F→tim1112: 那些工人的命(畢竟死也不是死在自己廠61.61.26.182 07/28 07:20
117F→tim1112: 但我認為至少安全的工作環境是業主有能力61.61.26.182 07/28 07:23
118F→tim1112: 也應該要提供的 哪裡可以掛安全帶或者一61.61.26.182 07/28 07:23
119F→tim1112: 定程度的搭架 大廠商自己應有能力給予61.61.26.182 07/28 07:24
122F→tim1112: 至少遇過的幾個現場監工都至少會告訴我哪61.61.26.182 07/28 07:26
123F→tim1112: 些線架或者管架可以鉤掛安全帶61.61.26.182 07/28 07:26
125F→tim1112: 但有些出事案例搞不好就不是那麼幸運61.61.26.182 07/28 07:27
157F推tim1112: 一些維修案就是現場管架林立錯綜 連人都61.61.26.182 07/28 07:33
161F→tim1112: 不見得好過去了何況車61.61.26.182 07/28 07:34
176F推tim1112: 工廠的確會有裝卸貨的車道 但也有可能要61.61.26.182 07/28 07:37
180F→tim1112: 施工的地方遠離車道61.61.26.182 07/28 07:38
182F→tim1112: 假設某些督察單位要來 業主也會通知你躲61.61.26.182 07/28 07:39
184F→tim1112: 一下(不趕的話)或者乾脆當天別進去作61.61.26.182 07/28 07:39
190F推tim1112: 但不作躲督察其實也不是正確的心態......61.61.26.182 07/28 07:41
191F→tim1112: 業主如果叫人躲 代表他自己也知道可能會61.61.26.182 07/28 07:42
192F→tim1112: 被拍照(拍了之後現場監工也有事) 那代表61.61.26.182 07/28 07:43
193F→tim1112: 平常的做法就有便宜行事之權61.61.26.182 07/28 07:43
217F推tim1112: 一些有門禁或監工單位的現場 會對吊車要61.61.26.182 07/28 07:49
220F→tim1112: 求車的證照 吊車手證照跟指揮員證照 當中61.61.26.182 07/28 07:49
222F→tim1112: 文件往來也需要費時 所以有時會協調已在61.61.26.182 07/28 07:50
223F→tim1112: 廠內的吊車單位到另一邊幫忙(當然要付錢61.61.26.182 07/28 07:50
250F推tim1112: 這問題換成農家子當總統也解決不了61.61.26.182 07/28 07:54
264F推tim1112: 我很討厭殺價文化 但資本的確不是無限61.61.26.182 07/28 07:56
269F→tim1112: 就算是業主 預算往往也不是現場工安甚至61.61.26.182 07/28 07:57
270F→tim1112: 該案負責人能決定的61.61.26.182 07/28 07:57
289F推tim1112: 學乖就是以後接類似案都把報價提高 順便61.61.26.182 07/28 08:07
290F→tim1112: 通知同行一起抬價 反正本來就需要這麼多61.61.26.182 07/28 08:07
293F→tim1112: 業主會找的很多都是鄰近廠商 圈子不大的61.61.26.182 07/28 08:08
414F推tim1112: 談好誰負責？別鬧了 請購資料少勾一項就114.136.216.190 07/28 08:49
415F→tim1112: 拿不到案 反正後面有的是不怕死的廠商114.136.216.190 07/28 08:49
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