[請益] "和德川越疏遠就封越遠"說法是真的嗎?
看板WarringState作者PrinceBamboo (竹取駙馬)時間8年前 (2016/03/14 00:54)推噓28(28推 0噓 75→)留言103則, 21人參與討論串1/9 (看更多)
如題 雖然對本板高手而言應該是程度很淺的問題
但這疑問長久以來一直在我心裡
以前不只一次,不只一個地方,無論是書籍,影劇,網路資料...
都有看過這個說法:
戰國時代結束,德川家取得日本政權後,依據和德川家的親疏遠近來分封諸侯
越親的距離江戶越近,越疏的距離江戶越遠
通常還會特別提一下->因此在關原之戰中與德川作對的島津家被封到離江戶最遠的薩摩
例如這邊-> http://forum.gamer.com.tw/Co.php?bsn=60238&sn=4227
但是在德川之前 島津家的領地本來就一直都在九州啊
島津氏於平安時代起源於日向國,鎌倉時代開始擔任九州守護,重心在南九州
戰國時代前根據地在南九州,島津義久四兄弟時幾乎取得九州全境
德川家康讓島津忠恆領有薩摩藩(薩摩國+大隅國+部分日向國 共24郡)
其實並未移封,甚至也不算減封
而且其實關原之戰時 島津的部隊也沒有攻打東軍 論德川家最大的仇敵也輪不到島津
甚至幕末中期,薩摩藩還站在幕府一方跟長州藩敵對
所以上述的常見說法到底是否屬實呢?
據我所知,幕府的確是將諸侯根據與德川家的親疏分為親藩大名,譜代大名和外樣大名
而且的確親藩和譜代藩都離江戶比較近(但領地也比較小) 而外樣藩離江戶比較遠
但在外樣藩之中
似乎就沒有特別再以與德川關係的好壞來決定距離江戶的近遠? 而是仍以原本領地為主?
否則毛利輝元應該不只是減封到剩長門+周防(還是很大) 而應該移封到最遠的薩摩
上杉景勝也不應只是減到只剩米澤,而應該移封到陸奧或蝦夷地才對
或者更狠一點 把上杉丟去薩摩,毛利丟到陸奧,島津移到長門
如果該說法屬實應該這樣才對啊XD
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我意思是,這句可能太簡潔,我無法完全理解
南宮山組就算在關原之戰時沒有動作,也不算東軍吧 上句意思是把兩者都算入東軍嗎?
然後我以為"平平一起..."的意思是要對比"打秀信組"跟"南宮山組"
但後面只有比較"打秀信組"間的石高變化率,沒有再跟秀元,廣家,盛親的石高變化率比較
是因為太常識不用提(對我不是>"<) 還是我對上面那句的理解不正確? 懇請詳細~
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