Re: [討論] 有些錯誤邏輯推論 台灣主權

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i.imgur.com/s6owP4v.png http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1955-57v23p1/d89 時間: 1956年 (美國)國務卿(Dulles)提醒 Shigemitsu 千島群島和琉球群島在投降條約(surrender terms)裡是以相同的方式處理, 而且美國同意依條約日本對琉球仍有剩餘主權, 依 第26條條款如果日本給與蘇聯更好的條件我們可以依約要求同樣的條件. 那表示如果 日本承認蘇聯對千島群島有完整的主權(full sovereignty)我們認為我們同樣擁有對 琉球群島的完整主權(full sovereignty). The Secretary reminded Mr. Shigemitsu that the Kuriles and Ryukyus were handled in the same manner under the surrender terms and that while the United States had by the peace treaty agreed that residual sovereignty to the Ryukyus might remain with Japan, we had also stipulated by Article 26 that if Japan gave better terms to Russia we could demand the same terms for ourselves. That would mean that if Japan recognized that the Soviet Union was entitled to full sovereignty over the Kuriles we would assume that we were equally entitled to full sovereignty over the Ryukyus. http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=turn&id= FRUS.FRUS195254v14p2&entity=FRUS.FRUS195254v14p2.p0266&isize=text&q1= residual 依據和平條約第二款, 日本放棄對韓國, 福爾摩沙, 千島群島, 庫頁島 ... 的 權利. 那可以被推論日本對那些同意託管的群島擁有最終的主權是被承認的.這 個想法是被 Dulles 和英國代表 Younger (勉強)承認(conceded). Dulles 提到 目前日本的形勢(position)如同"剩餘主權". In Article 2 of the Peace Treaty, Japan renounced right, title and claim to Korea, Formosa, the Kuriles, Sakhalin, the Mandated Islands, Antarctic area, the Spratly Islands and the Paracel Is- lands. It may be inferred that ultimate Japanese sovereignty was recognized over the islands she agreed to place in trusteeship. This conception was conceded by Mr. Dulles (page 78, Dept. State Publi- cation 4392) 8 and by Mr. Younger, the U.K. delegate (page 93, Dept. State Publication 4392). Mr. Dulles speaks of the current Jap- anese position as "residual sovereignty". http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/123/145/1509376/ 面對同盟國不同的意見, 美國覺得最好的處置方法(formula)是允許日本擁有剩餘主 權... In the face of this division of Allied opinion, the United States felt that the best formula would be to permit Japan to retain residual sovereignty... 日本, 而不是美國, 有 Okinawa 的 de jure soverengity 由於條約(SFPT)的承認, ... Japan, and not the United States, having "de jure sovereignty" over Okinawa since the ratification of the Treaty of Peace, ... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.243.119.25 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1429195380.A.085.html ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 22:44:34

04/16 22:44, , 1F
第二條跟第三條的地位基本上是一樣的.
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04/16 22:44, , 2F
第二條是最終主權,第三條是剩餘主權,
04/16 22:44, 2F
※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 22:45:02

04/16 22:45, , 3F
\不管是最終主權或剩餘主權最後都要回歸日本.
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04/16 22:46, , 4F
日本政府一貫的立場就是堅持波茨坦宣言
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04/16 22:47, , 5F
舊金山和平條約就是精確執行坡次砍宣言,
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04/16 22:47, , 6F
非開羅宣言不明確條款,這前面我就有講過了.
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04/16 22:49, , 7F
所以換句話講是中國在逼日本承認日本對SFPT領土有剩餘主權
04/16 22:49, 7F
※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 23:11:41

04/16 23:12, , 8F
都要回歸日本?還在瞎說。你中台灣民政府的毒啥時才解?
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04/16 23:14, , 9F
都要回歸日本那日本當初還放棄個屁?當同盟國都無腦啊?
04/16 23:14, 9F
※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 23:32:08 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 23:54:42 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 23:56:52 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.119.25), 04/16/2015 23:58:16


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