[情報] 英國CMA列出MS併購AB的疑慮

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UK regulator details concerns over Microsoft’s proposed acquisition of Activi sion Blizzard, Xbox responds The CMA expects the deal to impact PlayStation and game streaming https://reurl.cc/O4OZNv 簡單翻: 標題:MS回覆了,英國監管單位詳列對MS併購AB的疑慮;CMA覺得會衝擊PS and 串流遊戲 市場。 內文: The Competition and Markets Authority has detailed its concerns over Microsoft 's proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard. The UK regulator is seen as the key element as to whether this deal would be a llowed to go ahead. The deal did not pass the initial phase of approval, and h as been sent to a second phase. 沒過英國第一階段,進入第二階段,反正擔心。 Now the group has cited its concerns over the deal, and Microsoft has responde d to them. The impact on PlayStation and other rivals The CMA is concerned that the deal will harm PlayStation and other multi-game subscription offerings as Microsoft may withhold Activision Blizzard content f rom them. The body is also concerned that Microsoft may use Activision Blizzar d, alongside other Microsoft services, to out-compete rivals such as Google, A mazon and Nvidia in the game streaming space. CMA擔心這個交易會損害PS和其他遊戲訂閱服務,他們也擔心MS會讓Google Amazon, Nvid ia 等串流提供者無法競爭。 "There is a realistic prospect of a substantial lessening of competition in ga ming consoles, multi-game subscription services, and cloud gaming services," t he firm said in an extensive document. 實際上來看在可見的將來(如果這個交易成真),在主機、訂閱和雲端遊戲將永續的降低 市場競爭。 The CMA points to the 'network effect' of the console market, where a console with a lot of gamers attracts more content, which in turn attracts more gamers . And the firm is concerned that the acquisition of Call of Duty and any poten tial exclusivity on Xbox will create a sizeable network effect on Microsoft's platform. COD與可能的獨佔,會讓MS得利於Network effect. "The CMA is concerned that having full control over this powerful catalogue, e specially in light of Microsoft's already strong position in gaming consoles, operating systems, and cloud infrastructure, could result in Microsoft harming consumers by impairing Sony's – Microsoft's closest gaming rival – ability to compete as well as that of other existing rivals and potential new entrants who could otherwise bring healthy competition through innovative multi-game s ubscriptions and cloud gaming services." 對於強勢的類別的全盤掌控,像是主機、雲端服務基礎建設、作業系統,會透過降低索尼 的競爭力來對消費者造成損害,當然同樣也會對家業內造成損害 與 拉高潛在的新進入者 的門檻(應該是指新的訂閱跟雲端服務進入) Subscriptions are a key part of concerns, as the CMA believes it's possible (e ven likely) that without this deal, Activision Blizzard games may have come to other subscription services, too. 訂閱服務是主要疑慮。 "The CMA recognises that ABK's newest games are not currently available on any subscription service on the day of release but considers that this may change as subscription services continue to grow. After the Merger, Microsoft would gain control of this important input and could use it to harm the competitiven ess of its rivals." 暴雪的新遊戲目前沒有在第一天就出現在任何串流上,但是之後當訂閱服務持續成長則可 能改變。如果併購,MS將可以決定這件事並且打爆對手的競爭力。 In terms of streaming, the CMA's concerns are around Microsoft's potential in this market due to its ownership of the Azure cloud gaming service, plus its P C operating system. It believes that there's a chance this, coupled with the o wnership of Activision Blizzard, will give Microsoft and "unparalleled advanta ge" over other cloud streaming providers 雲端服務部分,MS有Azure跟Windows, 買了暴雪,微軟會在雲端串流供應市場無人能敵。 "These unsupported theories of harm are not sufficient to justify a reference to Phase 2," Microsoft has said in a detailed response to decision. MS: 這些毫無根據的傷害理論,根本不能當進入第二階段的參考。 In terms of the CMA's concerns over the impact on PlayStation, Microsoft says that there are numerous reasons why these concerns are 'misplaced'. It cites PlayStation's current market-leading position with a console install base of 150 million vs Xbox's install base of 63.7 million. It also says that Sony's current market leadership has seen it 'conduct' practices such as raisi ng the price of its console "without fear of losing market share". This follow s the recent news that Sony was increasing the price of PS5 following rising p roduction costs. 關於CMA對PS的疑慮,MS說有一堆理由可以證明CMA的疑慮是錯的;包含PS的市場領導者, 根本大到漲價也沒在怕的市佔會掉的程度 Xbox responds In statements shared with GamesIndustry.biz, Microsoft argued: "The suggestion that the incumbent market leader, with clear and enduring market power, could be foreclosed by the third largest provider as a result of losing access to o ne title is not credible." XBOX 的回覆 在跟Gameindustry.buz分享的聲明: 説…市場最強的索尼,會只因為老三拿到一個遊戲ip就輸掉,根本是不可信啦。 Microsoft posited, although doesn't share any figures, that if every single Ca ll of Duty player on Sony's console would switch to Xbox, "the PlayStation gam er base would remaining significantly larger than Xbox." MS: 我這邊沒給數字,但是就算COD每個玩家都跳去XBOX,PS玩家數依然是顯著的大於XBO X. Microsoft also talked about the level of content available on Sony's platform. Pointing out some of Sony's recent (but significantly smaller) acquisitions, the company says there were over 280 first and third-party exclusive titles on PlayStation in 2021, which was nearly five times as many as Xbox. 索尼最近併購的小公司們,讓他們在2021有280個第一方和第三方的獨佔遊戲,幾乎是Xbo x的五倍。 "In short, Sony is not vulnerable to a hypothetical foreclosure strategy, and the Referral Decision incorrectly relies on self-serving statements by Sony wh ich significantly exaggerate the importance of Call of Duty to it and neglect to account for Sony's clear ability to competitively respond," Microsoft added . MS認為,COD 被MS拿到索尼依然超強 沒差 "While Sony may not welcome increased competition, it has the ability to adapt and compete. Gamers will ultimately benefit from this increased competition a nd choice." MS: 索尼可能不喜歡,但是索尼有能力習慣並競爭,玩家都可以因為這個競爭得利的。 Once again, Microsoft reiterated its intention to keep Call of Duty on PlaySta tion consoles. It stated that taking Call of Duty away from PlayStation would "alienate" the fanbase and "tarnish both the Call of Duty and Xbox brands". COD一定會在PS上發行。 Microsoft argued that bringing Activision Blizzard games to Game Pass, which i s the company's big motivation behind the deal, would offer gamers more choice in how they access content. 要把COD丟到GP確實是他們的目的,但是我們只是要讓玩家可以更多選擇囉~ Microsoft made no suggestion it would also make Call of Duty available on othe r subscription services. However, the company observed that as Game Pass isn't available on PlayStation, the CMA's concerns that such a deal would ‘tip' su bscription services in Xbox's favour is not accurate. Microsoft also believes that with the continued popularity of traditional ‘buy to play' and free-to-p lay models means that Game Pass will always face strong competition. MS:GP才沒那麼強。 Microsoft concluded this area of the CMA's concerns by saying that if gamers d o choose to leave PlayStation for Xbox, it will be because Xbox is offering ch oice in its approach to how games can be bought. "Should any consumers decide to switch from a gaming platform that does not gi ve them a choice as to how to pay for new games (PlayStation) to one that does (Xbox), then that is the sort of consumer switching behavior that the CMA sho uld consider welfare enhancing and indeed encourage. It is not something that the CMA should be trying to prevent." Streaming concerns 串流部分的疑慮 The second area of the CMA's concerns is around Microsoft using Activision Bli zzard to become dominant in the game streaming area, by using that content alo ngside Microsoft's owned cloud service provider, Azure, plus its PC operating system. This is one of the more complicated areas to analyse, as it is talking about a part of the games business that is still in its early stages of development. MS: 雲端這塊很複雜,而且還早。 Microsoft believes the CMA's concerns here are flawed as currently Microsoft's Xbox Cloud Gaming service does not use Azure, and does not stream games from PC hardware. MS: CMA的疑慮,目前都沒發生。 "There is no advantage," the company said. "Indeed, Xbox considers that it fac es a number of significant disadvantages as compared to rival providers of inf rastructure for game streaming." MS: 這塊根本沒優勢。 The CMA is concerned that the Activision Blizzard deal, along with the other p roducts at Microsoft's disposal, could raise barriers to entry and potentially 'foreclose' rivals in cloud gaming services. However, Microsoft insisted that blocking potential competitors in the game st reaming space runs counter to the objective of making it a successful distribu tion model in the first place. "Consumer adoption of cloud gaming remains low," it said. "Harming or degradin g rival services would significantly set-back adoption of this technology – p rotecting market-leading incumbents (i.e., Sony on console, Apple and Google o n mobile, as well as Steam on PC). 雲端遊戲講競爭現在還早,消費者接受度不高 "Xbox, as a platform which is in last place in console, seventh place in PC an d nowhere in mobile game distribution globally, has no incentive to do this – instead its incentive is to encourage the widespread adoption of cloud gaming technologies by as many providers as possible to encourage the major shift in consumer behaviour required for cloud gaming to succeed." MS: XBOX在家機最爛了,才第三名、在PC第七、在手遊根本沒上榜,MS根本沒理由去降低 競爭,相反地…他應該會鼓勵跟推廣雲端這個市場。 The CMA will issue its preliminary findings from the second phase investigatio n in January, with the final report expected by March 1. CMA在一月會發出他們第二階段初步的調查材料,三月會有最終報告。 US regulator the FTC is also conducting a second phase investigation. The deal has already been approved in Brazil and Saudi Arabia. 美國的FTC也在第二階段,巴西跟沙烏地阿拉伯則是過了。 ————- 之前看過CMA對遊戲工作者的調查問卷,感覺CMA並沒有針對Sony這個點檔唯一判讀依據; 美國的FTC其實也沒很針對Sony/COD這件事在講… 但是MS感覺一直針對Sony/COD一直做文章,從最開始‘’主動‘’發訊息給Sony說COD在 併購後會怎樣開始,到後面莫名傳出Sony怎樣跑去講COD會怎樣,再到MS開始講Sony沒COD 根本沒差。 最近MS除了開網站帶風向,又直接透過媒體對著監管單位隔空喊話,個人感覺MS這併購不 太妙啊~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.32.188.102 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PlayStation/M.1665594778.A.9FE.html

10/13 01:22, 1年前 , 1F
一款COD而已最好是對SIE有差
10/13 01:22, 1F
有差肯定有差,只是MS很希望所有討論都鎖在COD上,但是CMA/FTC不認為這是唯一一個考 慮的點。

10/13 01:31, 1年前 , 2F
索能軟不能
10/13 01:31, 2F

10/13 01:38, 1年前 , 3F
無所謂 暴雪跟動視的遊戲完全沒興趣
10/13 01:38, 3F

10/13 01:40, 1年前 , 4F
裝弱大賽
10/13 01:40, 4F

10/13 01:43, 1年前 , 5F
雲端訂閱影響是什麼白癡論點?微軟就算收購失敗,還是可
10/13 01:43, 5F

10/13 01:43, 1年前 , 6F
以買cod第一天上xgp阿,難道你連這個都要禁嗎?不禁的話
10/13 01:43, 6F

10/13 01:43, 1年前 , 7F
有差嗎?微軟不收購還是訂閱老大,根本邏輯暴斃
10/13 01:43, 7F

10/13 01:47, 1年前 , 8F
索能X不能
10/13 01:47, 8F

10/13 01:48, 1年前 , 9F
因為收購成功的話他可以禁止COD上其他訂閱
10/13 01:48, 9F

10/13 01:54, 1年前 , 10F
不用收購也可以禁止某遊戲上某訂閱哦~
10/13 01:54, 10F

10/13 01:55, 1年前 , 11F
我覺得你的總結比較有趣
10/13 01:55, 11F

10/13 02:14, 1年前 , 12F
同意樓上
10/13 02:14, 12F

10/13 02:21, 1年前 , 13F
索尼看起來也一直很希望討論鎖在COD上啊
10/13 02:21, 13F

10/13 02:24, 1年前 , 14F
這哪個弱小英國組織 MS還不買下來
10/13 02:24, 14F

10/13 02:51, 1年前 , 15F
屁拉 雲端遊戲版上XGP傳教者吹到一個不行欸 好像會飛天
10/13 02:51, 15F

10/13 02:51, 1年前 , 16F
會遁地一樣
10/13 02:51, 16F

10/13 02:55, 1年前 , 17F
微軟爸爸快救暴雪吧….
10/13 02:55, 17F

10/13 03:43, 1年前 , 18F
微軟可以跟Sony一樣只買遊戲獨占就好,根本不用併購好嗎
10/13 03:43, 18F

10/13 04:31, 1年前 , 19F
這樣講的話,微軟併購失敗就其實也無所謂吧
10/13 04:31, 19F

10/13 04:37, 1年前 , 20F
就是愛來PS板看自稱NS與Steam粉反串軟粉開酸了,讚
10/13 04:37, 20F

10/13 04:37, 1年前 , 21F
10/13 04:37, 21F

10/13 04:39, 1年前 , 22F
要不是PS+被自家索粉當死人了,軟粉吹XGP吹得起來
10/13 04:39, 22F

10/13 04:39, 1年前 , 23F
嗎?
10/13 04:39, 23F

10/13 04:53, 1年前 , 24F
UK不知道,但八月本板文章美國ps+訂閱服務排第一、微軟
10/13 04:53, 24F

10/13 04:53, 1年前 , 25F
gp拼得要死才排第三被酸一輪,然後現在CMA擔心別家無法
10/13 04:53, 25F

10/13 04:53, 1年前 , 26F
與之競爭?我還是不要補習好了,我怕補下去老是掛車尾
10/13 04:53, 26F

10/13 04:53, 1年前 , 27F
的我忽然會讓別人再也拿不到第一名他們會傷心的概念
10/13 04:53, 27F

10/13 04:53, 1年前 , 28F
10/13 04:53, 28F

10/13 06:30, 1年前 , 29F
昨天才在C洽上看到索尼向CMA表示說相信微軟併購暴雪後會
10/13 06:30, 29F

10/13 06:30, 1年前 , 30F
在XBOX上出COD獨佔內容的文章呢,我就問他老大是不是忘
10/13 06:30, 30F

10/13 06:30, 1年前 , 31F
記自己最愛出遊戲的獨佔內容?
10/13 06:30, 31F

10/13 06:55, 1年前 , 32F
自稱NS與Steam粉反串軟粉,這人也太扭曲了
10/13 06:55, 32F

10/13 06:56, 1年前 , 33F
索尼還沒收購SE就能禁止FF上X盒了,微軟真的是錢太多還
10/13 06:56, 33F

10/13 06:56, 1年前 , 34F
要收購動視,而且還不能獨佔COD,可憐
10/13 06:56, 34F

10/13 07:10, 1年前 , 35F
軟軟就不用裝弱啊 他們是真的很弱 結果還要整體放話我就爛
10/13 07:10, 35F

10/13 07:10, 1年前 , 36F
到底在幹嘛啊www
10/13 07:10, 36F

10/13 07:18, 1年前 , 37F
去年PS有280個新遊戲?!
10/13 07:18, 37F

10/13 07:19, 1年前 , 38F
XGP不是雲端遊戲,XCloud才是
10/13 07:19, 38F
還有 663 則推文
還有 18 段內文
10/13 19:09, 1年前 , 702F
誰會去買Sony手機啊
10/13 19:09, 702F

10/13 19:11, 1年前 , 703F
小時候帶掌機去上學很屌耶,不過僅限過去
10/13 19:11, 703F

10/13 19:13, 1年前 , 704F
我還在用XZ3 鄙視鏈最底層
10/13 19:13, 704F

10/13 19:13, 1年前 , 705F
就我啊,不買中韓果機者
10/13 19:13, 705F

10/13 19:28, 1年前 , 706F
還有共碩阿
10/13 19:28, 706F

10/13 19:29, 1年前 , 707F
索也太可悲,主機不是賣很好嗎
10/13 19:29, 707F

10/13 19:32, 1年前 , 708F
勤勞推文真的是笑死wwwww
10/13 19:32, 708F

10/13 19:33, 1年前 , 709F
一堆人說微軟因為不是第一才在讓利,說的也沒錯,你
10/13 19:33, 709F

10/13 19:33, 1年前 , 710F
看看索尼現在No.1是怎麼對玩家的,還有人護航得下去
10/13 19:33, 710F

10/13 19:33, 1年前 , 711F
,笑死
10/13 19:33, 711F

10/13 19:38, 1年前 , 712F
供三小
10/13 19:38, 712F

10/13 19:40, 1年前 , 713F
手機都去mobilecomm吵了誰要去IOS版(X)
10/13 19:40, 713F

10/13 19:48, 1年前 , 714F
你發這篇文也是微軟在帶風向是嗎
10/13 19:48, 714F

10/13 19:57, 1年前 , 715F
最好笑一堆沒看過的ID來幫微軟吵架 股票買多少
10/13 19:57, 715F

10/13 19:58, 1年前 , 716F
還有發這篇文就算帶風向好了,能影響到收購什麼?
10/13 19:58, 716F

10/13 19:58, 1年前 , 717F
到底一堆人有什麼好氣的阿
10/13 19:58, 717F

10/13 20:10, 1年前 , 718F
最生氣的是大將軍吧 大多數都在跟他歡樂討論
10/13 20:10, 718F

10/13 20:12, 1年前 , 719F
其實到XBOX版走一輪就能感到一股讓人會心一笑的暖味
10/13 20:12, 719F

10/13 20:31, 1年前 , 720F
天氣轉涼了,來這邊講講笑話取取暖有什麼不對
10/13 20:31, 720F

10/13 20:32, 1年前 , 721F
大型裝弱演出
10/13 20:32, 721F

10/13 20:47, 1年前 , 722F
XD
10/13 20:47, 722F

10/13 20:50, 1年前 , 723F
索尼股票買不少吧
10/13 20:50, 723F

10/13 21:28, 1年前 , 724F
索尼愛COD出800億搶下來再900億賣給騰訊不就好了 嘻賺爛
10/13 21:28, 724F

10/13 21:31, 1年前 , 725F
再將動視暴雪全部作品都變手遊也賺得回來
10/13 21:31, 725F

10/13 21:35, 1年前 , 726F
欸不是 這篇推文也太多了吧 有沒有這麼熱鬧XD
10/13 21:35, 726F

10/13 21:46, 1年前 , 727F
都老面孔在推文而已 PS版人氣200都不到
10/13 21:46, 727F

10/13 21:50, 1年前 , 728F
我現在只想看殺到血流成河XD
10/13 21:50, 728F

10/13 21:52, 1年前 , 729F
真是期待微軟獨佔COD把索尼搞到倒閉 嘻嘻
10/13 21:52, 729F

10/13 23:15, 1年前 , 730F
看反串仔前面巴西文崩潰到語無倫次,現在也只能針
10/13 23:15, 730F

10/13 23:15, 1年前 , 731F
對板面人氣不知所云,愛索莎莎還比較有原則多了
10/13 23:15, 731F

10/13 23:24, 1年前 , 732F
別擔心 做個球給騰訊接手 COD就是全平台了 還賺一筆 嘻嘻
10/13 23:24, 732F

10/13 23:38, 1年前 , 733F
奧斯卡是不是又崩潰了
10/13 23:38, 733F

10/13 23:40, 1年前 , 734F
你看起來像崩潰嗎 (抓頭
10/13 23:40, 734F

10/14 00:19, 1年前 , 735F
要翻譯怎麼不要全部翻譯?附加條件部分怎麼沒看到你翻譯
10/14 00:19, 735F

10/14 00:19, 1年前 , 736F
出來讓大家看看?一直拿開網站就是帶風向講心態是?
10/14 00:19, 736F

10/14 03:14, 1年前 , 737F
奧斯卡只要開始抓頭或頭痛的時
10/14 03:14, 737F

10/14 03:14, 1年前 , 738F
候差不多就是崩潰了
10/14 03:14, 738F

10/14 13:04, 1年前 , 739F
又在寵粉喔
10/14 13:04, 739F

10/14 17:58, 1年前 , 740F
是說回覆審查不是本來就會強調對自己有利的論點啊
10/14 17:58, 740F

10/14 18:00, 1年前 , 741F
還是原PO覺得微軟也該秉持著有利索的論點?
10/14 18:00, 741F
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