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Fw: [閒聊] AI咒術師盜圖(版權爭議討論i2i/t2i)
[ AI_Art ]0 留言, 推噓總分: 0
作者: ZMTL - 發表於 2023/01/10 11:40(1年前)
11Fmidas82539: 就回歸到原創與實質近似的重製判定,看法官01/10 03:26
14Fmidas82539: 此外就比例原則吧,比如說你如果真的有原創而雷同01/10 03:28
15Fmidas82539: 那正常你只是偶爾有幾個雷同作品而已01/10 03:28
16Fmidas82539: 但你實際手法就是電子人二的話,那被告也是遲早問題01/10 03:29
17Fmidas82539: 如果認真講的話,他服裝再改例如變泳裝啦,髮型再改01/10 03:35
18Fmidas82539: 馬尾啦,只要要素越來越不像,別人要舉證抄也很牽強時01/10 03:35
19Fmidas82539: 那你要說討論空間OK,不過我個人看就覺得很像01/10 03:36
20Fmidas82539: 你要看的人說這不是重製仿作而是原創著作,有難度吧01/10 03:37
21Fmidas82539: 不過他是餵圖的方式先生成再改基本上沒辦法做到01/10 03:37
Fw: [閒聊] AI咒術師盜圖(版權爭議討論i2i/t2i)
[ AI_Art ]0 留言, 推噓總分: 0
作者: ZMTL - 發表於 2023/01/10 11:40(1年前)
4Fmidas82539: 我只能說你還是先去看著作權法會比較好01/10 01:13
5Fmidas82539: 首先我們要定義著作權的一個前提是具原創性之創作01/10 01:14
7Fmidas82539: 但如果你取樣就是接觸他人的圖,也就是餵別人著作圖01/10 01:14
Fw: [閒聊] AI咒術師盜圖(版權爭議討論i2i/t2i)
[ AI_Art ]0 留言, 推噓總分: 0
作者: ZMTL - 發表於 2023/01/10 11:40(1年前)
10Fmidas82539: 我個人認為他其實滿LOW的,直接餵圖抄別人風格你的01/10 00:49
15Fmidas82539: 關鍵字修改就比較簡單,運氣好連試錯都不用01/10 00:50
18Fmidas82539: 但講白一點你要他自己弄個原創圖他可能都不敢01/10 00:50
20Fmidas82539: 那他永遠都只能當個抄襲仔而已,這輩子就撿角了吧01/10 00:51
25Fmidas82539: 實際上你就是甲方阿,只是畫的人變AI而已01/10 00:52
26Fmidas82539: 阿你還跟畫師講請你抄某某的圖最好像一點喔01/10 00:52
30Fmidas82539: 這種咖小也能叫藝術家或繪師喔,笑死人了01/10 00:52
37Fmidas82539: 首先你給程式畫實際上就是一種隨機取樣的去雜訊過程01/10 00:56
38Fmidas82539: 你本來就沒辦法完全控制出你要的特徵而已01/10 00:56
39Fmidas82539: 諷刺的是這方面最快的反而就是叫程式去抄圖01/10 00:56
40Fmidas82539: 結果就變成現在這亂象吧01/10 00:57
46Fmidas82539: 阿這種捷徑問題就是當你想繼續往原創圖發展01/10 00:58
48Fmidas82539: 你就會發現你會面臨完全不同的問題,你等於要重練AI01/10 00:58
55Fmidas82539: 就說過了,程式自動產出的東西目前法律不具版權01/10 00:59
59Fmidas82539: 阿你還用抄的還宣稱自己畫的,就各種蠢上身而已01/10 01:00
70Fmidas82539: 不是阿,你是沒看他的影片有講到不能違反著作權法30-401/10 01:03
75Fmidas82539: 的授權同意前提,你才可以餵圖。而這就跟你手繪二創圖01/10 01:04
76Fmidas82539: 一樣,好你自己畫米老鼠,你有這幅畫的著作權01/10 01:04
78Fmidas82539: 但你在版權上只要沒有授權同意,那你二創不會有版權01/10 01:05
84Fmidas82539: ....你是不是不知道著作權跟版權是不同的法益概念01/10 01:06
89Fmidas82539: 你不能把版權跟著作權混為一談,因為保護法益不同01/10 01:08
90Fmidas82539: 不能說你有創作的著作權就可以創作人家有版權的東西01/10 01:09
91Fmidas82539: 所以還是會回歸到30-4的獲取材料時的授權問題01/10 01:09
109Fmidas82539: 我只能說你還是先去看著作權法會比較好01/10 01:13
110Fmidas82539: 首先我們要定義著作權的一個前提是具原創性之創作01/10 01:14
112Fmidas82539: 但如果你取樣就是接觸他人的圖,也就是餵別人著作圖01/10 01:14
115Fmidas82539: 然後又做出實質近似的東西,你光是在著作權就有危險01/10 01:15
118Fmidas82539: 你不一定會被告敗訴,但不爽你的人一定會告你01/10 01:15
122Fmidas82539: 再來,好。版權方要舉證你"接觸"餵他的著作有難度01/10 01:16
123Fmidas82539: 但他還是可以用版權這一塊告你,所以坦白說AI在法律上01/10 01:17
125Fmidas82539: 你面臨的問題跟二創繪師差不多的,沒有AI就有逃過一劫01/10 01:18
128Fmidas82539: 這種事,赤松他擁護的應該算是用AI畫出原創作品01/10 01:19
129Fmidas82539: 他講這種原創畫有著作權我可以同意,但以抄跟目的是01/10 01:19
134Fmidas82539: 抄像某著作的作品,我想這不是赤松他想辯護的東西01/10 01:20
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