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16F→:會上ptt的老師也算蠻活潑的06/23 20:04
1F推:我想這跟砲彈有很大的關係06/23 12:31
4F推:有後輩啊~06/23 12:53
2F推:眼花撩亂@@"06/23 07:17
4F推:好像是個粉絲很多的人06/22 07:55
10F推:李敖評他不知所云=.=06/22 21:09
19F推:仔細想想「不知所云」的本義就是看不懂,只是後出現貶義06/22 22:27
22F推:字面上而言06/22 23:46
23F→:教育部成語典甚至並未將它的貶義表達出來06/22 23:47
24F→:你可以參考看看06/22 23:47
36F推:喔~我只看到諸葛亮那邊忽略了現代解了06/23 06:40
37F推:也不錯啊,古自謙今嘲諷,兩邊加起來也算中性啦~呵06/23 06:43
38F推:不要降縮偶偶會拍謝捏>////<06/23 06:50
4F推:呃……但說話內容不同並不會導致脈衝量不同不是嗎?06/20 20:36
5F→:如果只說物質意思就是指質能了06/20 20:36
6F→:所以願望本身還是混沌的,有些事並不會影響物質需求06/20 20:38
7F→:但還是會有情緒,十分詭異不是嗎?06/20 20:39
11F→:用一樣的音量講「謝謝」跟「去死」卻會造成不同的反應06/20 21:09
12F→:這是我論述的重點,物質需求的意思是說,不管我說哪句06/20 21:09
13F→:都不會對你造成實際影響,但卻會實際造成情緒干擾06/20 21:09
14F→:這點是很詭異的06/20 21:10
15F→:應該說實際上的「物理影響」06/20 21:10
16F→:應該說真正會干擾到你生存價值的物理影響(=.=)06/20 21:21
27F→:真的有必要把事情搞到這個地步嗎……06/20 22:23
28F→:酒壺跟三島是一對嗎?06/20 22:24
31F推:不是,我是說把情緒給訴諸到物理干擾這種地步06/20 22:41
32F→:感覺比較像在探討噪音對情緒的影響而非語意判斷與情緒06/20 22:42
34F推:噗~06/21 05:47
38F推:但是這些只是中繼,並不直接觸碰倒情緒本身啊06/21 11:46
39F→:若是我拿刀殺人,總是我殺了人不能說刀殺了人啊06/21 11:46
40F→:感覺上很像律師的詭辯說06/21 11:48
44F推:對,我指的是在物理反應到達情緒間勢必還有東西06/21 11:59
45F→:否則我用一樣的音量音品講出來的不同字彙不該有不同反應06/21 11:59
48F→:這擺明了在兜圈子,任何人都知道你好跟滾開的區別不是嗎06/21 12:01
50F→:又何必非得一模一樣的情境才能造成相同的反應?06/21 12:01
51F→:好吧,那為何這種不同會導致不同而非相同的反應06/21 12:02
54F→:但一般溝通不可能純理性的述說言詞06/21 12:04
55F→:一定會附加情緒性,而這情緒性勢必會互相干擾06/21 12:04
56F→:而情緒性是超越語言界限的,甚至不需要語言就能彼此干擾06/21 12:05
57F→:這才是我想表達的重點06/21 12:05
60F→:對呀,但讚美的言詞若沒有好口氣就是諷刺不是嗎06/21 12:06
63F→:為什麼人之常情還非得要被解剖成這樣?06/21 12:08
65F→:難道我讚美你會讓你不舒服或辱罵你會讓你快樂嗎?06/21 12:08
66F→:我並非否認介質,但重點並非在介質身上06/21 12:09
67F→:如同我所說的拿刀殺人的比喻06/21 12:09
69F→:拿刀殺人也會提到刀啊=.=,兇器也是重點不是嗎?06/21 12:10
71F→:只是不能反客為主,重點在這理06/21 12:10
73F→:那稱讚嬰兒嬰兒就不可能會開心囉?06/21 12:12
76F→:這點倒很值得爭議,罵嬰兒他不可能會哭?06/21 12:13
77F→:對呀,你後面那句就是重點06/21 12:13
78F→:我就是想探討,情緒性的相互干擾,如何引起物質反應06/21 12:13
79F→:應該沒有人在相互毀譽的時候會單純鋪陳語言吧06/21 12:14
80F→:這樣已經不是人類社會的常態了,比較像外星人06/21 12:14
82F→:是啊,的確如此,所以情緒性會蓋過理性的語言描述06/21 12:15
84F→:而成為人際溝通的要旨所在06/21 12:16
86F→:是啊,這樣就是我想說的06/21 12:17
87F→:所以真正對嬰兒有意義的在於背後的情緒性,介質並不重要06/21 12:17
88F→:無論你用言語還是動作,他所得到的都是被後的良善意圖06/21 12:18
89F→:所謂禮輕情意重,就是這樣吧06/21 12:18
94F→:能量?怎麼說?06/21 12:23
95F→:情緒能夠發射能量@@?06/21 12:24
96F→:那微笑也行嗎?06/21 12:24
97F→:文字本身有能量嗎?06/21 12:25
99F→:那你是判刀有罪囉06/21 12:27
101F→:還是在原地打轉啊,解讀的關鍵不是在介質吧06/21 12:28
103F→:要是被拿刀的人殺了我們應該憎恨刀而非憎恨人囉?06/21 12:29
105F→:真傷腦筋"=.=a06/21 12:30
108F推:唉……為何要被唯物觀點關住呢?06/21 12:33
109F→:物與心和樂相處也不錯啊06/21 12:33
111F推:淚長沾襟為何故,語重心長成風塵06/21 13:09
6F推:對的事就是對的事,錯的事就是錯的事,對錯在事情本身06/21 08:42
7F→:不在倫理道德,對錯是由絕對損利而來的06/21 08:43
9F推:是,但絕對道德講求應時、全面,而非侷限單人、地、時06/21 09:27
10F→:真切的以終極的生命幸福與存續為焦點去判斷就對了06/21 09:28
11F→:否則都是假的06/21 09:28
12F→:假的東西也敢妄稱自己為倫理道德,那叫褻瀆06/21 09:29
14F推:事實就是如此,相對性的東西只是統治者玩弄世人的手段罷06/21 09:56
15F→:哲學家要不要變成幫凶那就看他們自己了06/21 09:56
18F推:我說了,真的假的,自在人心,搞清楚就不會錯06/21 10:34
19F→:以假亂真的東西就要全民高度的自覺和理智判斷來挖掘真相06/21 10:34
20F→:最怕人民自甘墮落,自賤為奴,那實在難救06/21 10:35
21F→:台灣從清到日,把人民的奴性給做得很足,希望諸位別著道06/21 10:36
27F推:a大說的便是了06/21 12:55
28F→:他們為了侵吞人家利益連自己都催眠了,多慘06/21 12:56
29F→:j大的文章很有意思,值得深思06/21 12:57
30F推:悶嬰兒的故事在《墨攻》裡面也有出現過06/21 13:04
32F推:這麼說吧,感性的道德是粗糙原始的,除非經過理性加持06/21 13:16
33F→:否則意義真就是像猩猩一樣落後06/21 13:16
36F推:其實「道德」就是「得到的」簡稱而已,關係整體最大利益06/21 13:54
37F→:原初的模式一定會在時代中出現瑕疵,便要以理性加以修復06/21 13:54
38F→:否則便是用牛車去跑高速公路,勢必大亂06/21 13:55
39F推:這應該是常識,若連這點都超凡那人類就玩完了06/21 14:00
41F推:一定要的啊,我想當演藝人員06/22 11:35
42F推:你應該看那篇創紀錄的8206/22 13:20
43F推:397606/22 14:45
3F→:會,因為對方的情緒性06/20 16:56
4F→:二樓幫我引薦啊,哪家比較好?06/20 16:56
5F→:人類溝通93%是非語言溝通,直覺和感觸比理性層面多很多06/20 17:01
6F→:包括下意識的肢體、表情,還有些第六感的東西06/20 17:02
8F→:w大的意思是,去你媽媽的唯心,老子就想嗆你怎樣06/20 17:27
9F→:八九不離十吧06/20 17:27
11F→:猜測的啊,那實際上是?06/20 17:49
12F→:公堂之上假設一下無罪吧06/20 17:49
20F→:只是疑義而已,相信與否由人呀06/20 18:11
21F→:我有做出人身攻擊還是有違事實的言論嗎?那為何不可說?06/20 18:12
22F→:你不接受,總也是有人接受的06/20 18:12
24F→:所以,w,我才想問你七樓的真正意旨為何,如果我猜錯的話06/20 18:13
26F→:原來w採用的是先進的圖像文字,那為何又用漢字表明我錯?06/20 18:17
28F→:如果我真的錯了,你也應該在圖像中詮釋才對06/20 18:17
29F→:否則無法證明我真的錯了,不是嗎?06/20 18:18
31F→:變成你在武斷的論述我的錯誤囉06/20 18:18
32F→:那我也可以說我對,你能找到第三者證明你是對的?06/20 18:18
33F→:否則到頭來不過是各說各話不是嗎?06/20 18:19
36F→:所以你自己說我的錯只是你自己的判斷,而無客觀意涵囉?06/20 18:20
38F→:如果一種文字只有一個人能詮釋,那對錯也只關係他一個06/20 18:21
41F→:證明對方錯誤沒有義務提出對方能理解的證據?06/20 18:22
42F→:這是辯論比賽還要有個裁判才行囉06/20 18:22
43F→:當然,如果是被猜中而硬不承認那我也莫可奈何06/20 18:23
44F→:不過我記得要宣判罪行才能施刑吧,至少06/20 18:24
48F→:是不會影響,但你無法依此邏輯說服任何一個人的06/20 18:26
49F→:呵,變成你在自嗨了耶06/20 18:26
50F→:!%^(~^*(&#^*)!&%#)~*_&#)*^&!#_*!#)&~06/20 18:27
51F→:◎¢!!06/20 18:27
55F→:不好意思,回你的時候混合了對w的情緒06/20 21:06
56F→:其實沒什麼特別動機,硬要說的話,就是分享我的思想吧06/20 21:07
57F→:雖然我沒論證,好歹也有因有果,有邏輯,但一團符號要解06/20 21:11
58F→:是否有真假都是問題了,遑論邏輯實證,不是嗎?06/20 21:12
59F→:當然除非w大很抬舉我,把我當成解碼大師,那可真是誤會大06/20 21:12
65F→:喔……也對06/20 21:19
66F→:我以為你們的論證是要嚴謹的結構分析說06/20 21:20
67F→:把一堆層級、架構給理出來什麼的,光想就頭昏06/20 21:20
69F→:不過也不可否認很多東西只能旁敲側擊,真正直來直往的06/20 21:22
70F→:邏輯是無解的06/20 21:22
71F→:論鬼魂存在與否這種事06/20 21:23
72F→:喔~還有動機,就是接受思想的衝撞,好迸發出新思想06/20 21:23
73F→:就像檸檬尬冬瓜那樣06/20 21:24
75F→:嚴謹喔,啊災,感覺要一堆專有名詞才叫嚴謹吧,呵呵06/20 21:26
78F→:邏輯指的是A跟B存在的關係探討,沒錯吧06/20 21:28
79F→:懶得看耶,你知道就簡單跟我說就好了咩06/20 21:28
80F→:因果關係還是並列關係什麼的,再由此延伸出去06/20 21:28
82F→:什麼若p則q的06/20 21:29
83F→:那什麼是真值關係呢?06/20 21:30
86F→:喔喔,簡單說就是必然的因果關係嗎?06/20 21:32
89F→:前提是地球人需要水,如果一個人不需要水就非地球人06/20 21:47
90F→:是這樣嗎?06/20 21:47
91F→:語句上可以說因為有了前句前提,才有辦法得出後面結論06/20 21:48
92F→:可以說這樣是因果嗎?06/20 21:48
93F→:如果宏觀來講當然不會是這樣我知道06/20 21:48
94F→:應該說由語意上來講06/20 21:49
96F→:嗯,我是補述宏觀那句06/20 22:23
98F→:對命題者來說,若是先得出前提,再推導結論,為何非因果06/21 11:47
99F→:宏觀而言的確就是單一命題,只有真假06/21 11:47
103F→:多半都有這樣的傾向的,我自己在想命題的時候也是如此06/21 11:50
104F→:的確如此06/21 11:50
105F→:這就是我想要釐清的重點06/21 11:50
106F→:在某個面向來說還是具有因果性06/21 11:51
108F→:我並不打算做出這個結論=.=06/21 11:52
111F→:那是個問題,而非結論06/21 12:00
112F→:我不明白真值關係的意思才會這麼問的06/21 12:00
116F→:永遠都有自己的答案呀,別人的指教只能修飾自己的答案06/21 12:21
117F→:讓它變得更好,若是覆蓋過去也太殘忍了吧06/21 12:21
118F→:其實比起反駁我更想要讓雙方的答案產生共識06/21 12:22
119F→:這樣會比較和諧一點06/21 12:22
121F→:是啊!人要有自信的!06/21 12:25
123F→:不,答案常在我心,任何途徑的意義都在讓它更好06/21 13:20
124F→:所以無論正向或反向的回饋,對我而言皆意義非凡06/21 13:20
4F推:台灣的大學,只能說做個樣子而已,學問還是得靠自己06/21 10:40
5F推:自我通了,這些問題也就不會存在,有些是用腦是無解的06/19 23:37
7F→:閣下的腦能解通萬事萬物,著實令人佩服06/20 07:12
8F→:日後有疑難雜症務必得請您多加解惑06/20 07:13
9F→:這樣吧,請問你如何確認自己腦部的存在?請問?06/20 07:14
10F推:如何確認思考事理的是腦部而非其他東西?06/20 07:16
11F→:又如何假設僅有腦部能加以解決問題?06/20 07:17
12F推:若能榮獲大師解答,實在五體投地,感激萬分06/20 07:18
13F→:再補一個,如果一個阿飄跟我聊天,它究竟是用哪裡思考?06/20 07:19
14F→:上述問題困擾我十數年,若受開示必感激涕零06/20 07:26
20F推:我是第一次想投入右派陣營,也算原po屌吧,哈哈06/20 13:27
21F→:不過終究是看錯人,我的疑問還是得靠自己解06/20 13:28
24F→:沒有啊,只是看你這麼聰明,想請你解惑而已06/20 13:31
25F→:願聞其詳06/20 13:31
33F→:重點是,答案呢?06/20 13:36
34F→:要我寫一篇論文登在國際期刊上才有資格發問嗎?06/20 13:37
35F推:既然你讀過那些成山成堆的東西,解答應該是輕而易舉的?06/20 13:40
36F→:還是你沒讀過~喔~那算我判斷錯誤好了,sorry~06/20 13:41
37F→:對啊,你沒有義務要回答我知道,當我白問好囉06/20 13:43
39F推:不知道答案當然氣啊,更氣問錯人06/20 13:50
40F→:答案比任何鳥自尊鳥意氣都還重要的06/20 13:50
41F→:遇到鬼打牆你氣不氣,你說說看嘛,懷疑先生06/20 13:53
47F推:電燈泡同時會發光發熱,能說發光導致發熱嗎?06/20 15:14
48F→:我媽生我又生我妹,我跟我妹長得很像,能說我生了我妹嗎06/20 15:15
50F推:講白了吧,大腦只是工具,無形的意識才是操控者06/20 15:20
51F→:有體無心不過行屍走肉而已06/20 15:20
55F→:因為沒有證據證明腦部動作「直接」導致了心理活動06/20 15:24
58F→:請便啊06/20 15:24
59F→:嘴巴是你的06/20 15:24
63F→:不需要證明阿飄存在,夢境中的無限性就是一種體證06/20 15:26
67F→:直接就是純唯物的觀點,把物質直接推導到心理06/20 15:28
68F→:就是我在夢境中的自由,以及創造性,還有現實觀照性06/20 15:29
70F→:簡單說,就是經由夢境可以到達有別於物質世界的天地06/20 15:29
71F→:你可以上飄版跟大家說直接改名精神病版,我很樂意看戲06/20 15:29
73F→:還會給你推,真的,推很大喔06/20 15:30
75F→:當然要你有辦法貫徹意志不受公共理性無意義的制約才行06/20 15:31
77F→:飄版多得是經驗者,我本身還沒真的看到咧06/20 15:32
78F→:感受到倒真的發生過06/20 15:32
80F→:所以啊,你應該讓你的唯物理智多普渡幾個神經病不是嗎06/20 15:33
81F→:我說了,你上飄版嗆聲我一定推,不推跟你姓06/20 15:33
84F→:那又為何建議我去看精神科?06/20 15:34
86F→:情緒只有在理性輸了才會出來的喔,還是你要開始掉書袋?06/20 15:34
87F→:慢走不送,安心上路~06/20 15:35
89F→:如果你的乳房真的那麼豐滿,那我看的書大概也不少了06/20 15:37
13F推:黑咩06/20 14:04