Re: [問題] KUB vs CT?
: 推 mylovelycat:Hx都有stone了 如果照KUB就有機會診斷 為什麼要做CT? 07/15 10:13
: → mylovelycat:KUB無法確診再做CT也不遲阿, 健保很窮的 07/15 10:14
這裡,有了兩個問題:
1. UHCT和KUB,面對acute flank pain suspected urolithiasis to ED的病人,
何者較省錢?
”KUB是否較省錢”的問題,應該換成:用universal UHCT
for suspected urolithiasis,到底是花錢還是省錢?
我找不到相關台灣的文章,在歐洲,有一篇study是結論出來UHCT比IVP省錢。
2. Hisotry已知有stone的病人,因為acute flank pain to ED,該做KUB還是UHCT?
似乎沒有人在拿 KUB來比?
最近的文章,都是在UHCT v.s. IVP......
最近這一篇北榮的prospective study,結論是UHCT勝
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18218557
其它這幾年的研究,結論都類似。
如果把問題修正成 universal KUB then selective CT vs universal CT呢?
如上,找不關相關的文章可以回答。
這裡談到的其實就是algorithm,
有一篇在土耳其prospective validated的study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16627832
所有懷疑renal colic to ED的病人,
全部都驗小便及做bedside echo,
有血尿(>10 /HPF)及echo發現hydro (兩者同時存在),約回Uro OPD,
其它的人,則一律安排進一步的檢查 (IVP, CT, or doppler US)....
結果看起來還不錯。
比較要注意的是,發燒的病人,被排除在study外....
(這還滿重要的,書上都有說,單純的renal colic,很少在燒的)
另外一個情況是,在他們200多個患者裡,沒有一個是life threatening的情況 @@...
他們enroll的標準為:
unilateral acute flank pain suspected for renal colic, > 14 y/o....
到底何謂"suspected for renal colic"?沒有詳述。
不過,從他們病人平均年齡不到40歲來看,
要不就是老年人不會unilateral acute flank pain,
要不就是這樣的老年人在一開始就被歸在"suspected not for renal colic"....
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講了這一些,回到原本的主題,
到底KUB是用來幹麻的啊?
看起來似乎沒什麼角色....
有錯請鞭。
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