Re: [文法] ____ it rains, go into the building.

看板Eng-Class作者 (RoadMan_A)時間14年前 (2012/02/14 05:21), 編輯推噓5(5034)
留言39則, 6人參與, 最新討論串20/28 (看更多)
※ 引述《paulchi (paul)》之銘言: : 個人不認為 It is raining soon. 是好英文,但是從「同情的了解」角度 : 出發,能夠解出語意。 : 我相信tijj大到處詢問的高人們,也都是從這個角度來看待這個句子的。 : 因此如果將我上一帖編出的對話,拿去給英文母語人士看,我賭一塊錢,大多數會說 : 還過得去 (重點,不是正確,而是「還過得去」), : 尤其美國南方的鄉巴佬,要講文法規則,他們肯定輸給板上的各位賢達。 : 我比較好奇的是,大家的英文如果都這麼好,幹嘛不用英文來吵? : 我起了頭,沒人要跟,很沒勁。 我有跟呀~ 問篇如果是純英文我回時都會回英文。 : xxx : 語言是不斷演化的, : 所以: You had better -> You better 這種variation,只要用得人多, : 就會有編寫文法書的人,把它寫進去, : 書印出來後,就會成為...成為...成為遠東小島國上的國民,捧著當作 : 聖經一樣,引經據典數落誰誰誰的英文不好、不夠道地、不夠正確的圭臬。 : Language is a tool through which we express our thoughts. The great : comedian George Carlin once said that we do think in language, so the : quality of our thoughts can only be as good as the quality of our : language. : You may think that the idea derived from the above statement justifies : this lengthy debate over the validity of the expression in question. : The hell it doesn't. You realise this expression means "it does," right? A: Theory 1 is correct. B: Theory 1 is incorrect because it doesn't take into account Y. A: The hell it doesn't. Y is taken care of in a corollary. (  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ : Fucking Carlin would be laughing in his grave knowing people on a far : east island with adequate English proficiency have been so hung up : on such trivial grammtical crap while what they really should be doing : is have meaningful discussion on matters that actually CONCERN THEM, : like cross-strait politics and economics, the Euro debt crisis, : the environment and green energy and whatnot, because THAT would be : great exercise to put their language skills to test - force themselves : to THINK in English. Carlin is funny but I wouldn't let a funny old man dictate what I like to discuss. I discuss many of those things you mentioned - and yes, in English - just not here. Doing that here would be off-topic. And since I like to discuss many things with many different people, I believe it's important to master grammar, so that I can think and write precisely. : But hell no. : We don't do that. I find your assumption about the rest of us insulting. : We have to dig deep and find out if 'it is raining soon' : is grammatically correct. : Pathetic. All of us. I'd say 'dedicated' :) -- I let the melody shine, let it cleanse my mind, I feel free now But the airways are clean and there's nobody singing to me now -Bittersweet Symphony, The Verve -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 70.166.3.190

02/14 06:38, , 1F
Haha, I was refraining from pointing out the
02/14 06:38, 1F

02/14 06:39, , 2F
understandable, even common, yet incorrect
02/14 06:39, 2F

02/14 06:40, , 3F
extending of "the hell" from popular constructions like
02/14 06:40, 3F

02/14 06:41, , 4F
like Wh-word + "the hell" to "The hell it doesn't". :-)
02/14 06:41, 4F

02/14 06:45, , 5F
But if you find yourself using "the hell" as an
02/14 06:45, 5F

02/14 06:46, , 6F
intensifier indiscrimately, don't feel bad. Spock is
02/14 06:46, 6F

02/14 06:47, , 7F

02/14 06:55, , 8F
What's important is to stop treating bad English as
02/14 06:55, 8F

02/14 06:56, , 9F
passable. Only then is there hope for improvement.
02/14 06:56, 9F

02/14 07:14, , 10F
所以you better考試時到底可不可以這樣寫?那會不會被看為
02/14 07:14, 10F

02/14 07:15, , 11F
不正確而被老師扣分啊?不正確和不正式不是該分清楚嗎?
02/14 07:15, 11F

02/14 07:15, , 12F
被老師扣分,誰要負責?
02/14 07:15, 12F

02/14 08:57, , 13F
l: I do not refrain :)
02/14 08:57, 13F

02/14 08:58, , 14F
n大如果問我,我會說:不可以、會、是應該、你自己
02/14 08:58, 14F

02/14 09:00, , 15F
我跟朋友講話時會不會 you better? 會。我今天如果考作
02/14 09:00, 15F

02/14 09:00, , 16F
文會不會 you better? 不會。
02/14 09:00, 16F

02/14 09:18, , 17F
+1
02/14 09:18, 17F

02/14 10:50, , 18F
想太多. The hell it doesn't. 那部分只是口語英文,非錯
02/14 10:50, 18F

02/14 10:50, , 19F
Pathetic. All of us. <-怎麼不說這裡是兩句沒S+V的句子?
02/14 10:50, 19F

02/14 10:50, , 20F
XD
02/14 10:50, 20F

02/14 10:51, , 21F
'the hell' 只是加強語氣. it doesn't才是在否定上面的
02/14 10:51, 21F

02/14 10:51, , 22F
'justify'這個動詞
02/14 10:51, 22F

02/14 10:52, , 23F
l大也說了'understand, even COMMON' 我用的就是
02/14 10:52, 23F

02/14 10:53, , 24F
common的英文。當然敢這樣用必須知道它其實是錯的。
02/14 10:53, 24F

02/14 10:59, , 25F
oh I looked at it again and realized....
02/14 10:59, 25F

02/14 11:00, , 26F
I should have said "Hell it doesn't."
02/14 11:00, 26F

02/14 11:00, , 27F
so i'll give it to you. there.
02/14 11:00, 27F

02/14 11:10, , 28F
what's wrong with trying to be articulate?
02/14 11:10, 28F

02/15 00:46, , 29F
p大: the hell it does = it doesn't. 如我所說,就算
02/15 00:46, 29F

02/15 00:47, , 30F
是口語也是有其規則。Pathetic 部分我完全理解是口語
02/15 00:47, 30F

02/15 00:48, , 31F
the hell it does/doesn't 的問題在於邏輯而非文法
02/15 00:48, 31F

02/15 00:48, , 32F
it's raining soon 的問題對我而言也是邏輯問題
02/15 00:48, 32F

02/15 01:01, , 33F
BTW, "hell, it doesn't" = it doesn't
02/15 01:01, 33F

02/15 01:01, , 34F
The hell it doesn't = it does
02/15 01:01, 34F

02/15 01:01, , 35F
the hell it doesn't = it does
02/15 01:01, 35F

02/15 01:02, , 36F
just making it clear.
02/15 01:02, 36F

02/15 01:03, , 37F
oops I mean "the hell it does = it doesn't"
02/15 01:03, 37F

08/06 07:11, , 38F
what's wron https://noxiv.com
08/06 07:11, 38F

09/06 23:42, , 39F
it's rainin https://daxiv.com
09/06 23:42, 39F
文章代碼(AID): #1FENx7Y0 (Eng-Class)
討論串 (同標題文章)
本文引述了以下文章的的內容:
完整討論串 (本文為第 20 之 28 篇):
文章代碼(AID): #1FENx7Y0 (Eng-Class)