Re: [討論] 石田三成趁會津征伐的舉兵時間點過早?
我反而覺得是發動的時機太晚了
應該趁加賀征伐時就發動
等到會津征伐時,前田家都已經送芳春院去當人質
完全臣服於家康了,一來一往,前田家的歸屬可能就決定了
很多牆頭草的意願。
問題是加賀征伐時,三成那邊根本都還沒有整合好,
如果三成有辦法提早整合好反家康的勢力,
透過宇喜多秀家給前田利長強力的承諾和支援使前田家不直接臣服於家康的話
整個情勢可能會很不一樣。
※ 引述《Uber (Uber)》之銘言:
: 真田丸裡面有演到,真田家的計畫是假裝跟著德川討伐上杉,
: 等正式開打後,真田內通上杉從側翼突襲德川本陣,有機會一舉幹掉家康!
: 但是石田三成太早舉兵,家康本隊跟上杉都還沒開打,
: 導致家康想了一下,西進找西軍決戰。
: 如果石田三成晚些舉兵,等家康開始圍城再發動,
: 上杉早有防禦準備,應該也不會太快落城。
: 家康知道三成舉兵,也很難快速抽身,加上真田家的反叛兼突襲,
: 沒死應該也暫時亂成一團。
: 後續西軍主力徐徐東進取下江戶後,再北上合圍狸貓。
: 為何石田三成非得這麼早舉兵?
: 難道說攔截了要加入家康的眾大名之後,不得不作迅速明確的討逆行動?
: 不能再拖一下,等待家康圍上杉的絕妙好機嗎?
一說德川的會津征伐本來就是看準了三成可能會起兵
所以其實德川會津征伐的主力走的滿慢的,5月初就收到直江狀(一說偽造)
準備很久6月16才從大阪出發,7月底才走到下野國。
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