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原文中有提到O'neal離開魔術 因年代久遠 這篇文有提到整個過程: https://reurl.cc/oxOdLj 以下節錄及簡單翻譯: When Shaq was drafted first overall, the Magic had just completed their third season in franchise history. As is the case with many franchises just starting out, wins were hard to come by. In three seasons, Orlando finished 18-64, 31-51, and 21-61. O'neal加入魔術時 魔術隊才剛剛加入聯盟三年 且起步維艱 這三年戰績分別為18-64 31-51 21-61 However, O’Neal was about to change that in a hurry. Once the former LSU Tiger joined the team, the Magic finished 41-41. They then won 50 or more games in each of the next three seasons as Shaq and fellow All-Star Penny Hardaway led them to an NBA Finals appearance in 1994-95 and the Eastern Conference Finals the following year. In 1996, with Penny already locked up on a nine-year, $72 million deal, it was time to re-sign the four-time All-Star and former scoring champion: O’Neal. 但O'neal的加入很快就改變了球隊 第一年41-41 接下來三年都拿下超過50勝 1994-95在O'neal和Penny的合作下還打進總冠 1996年 Penny已經拿到了9年7200萬的合約 接下來就輪到跟O'neal簽約 O’Neal, who finished his four-year, $17.4 million rookie deal, was offered $54 million dollars over four years. It was an embarrassing offer, and one that looked even worse when you consider both the Miami Heat’s Alonzo Mourning and Washington Bullets‘ Juwan Howard earned seven-year, $105 million contracts that same offseason. O'neal第一份合約為四年1740萬 這次魔術隊開出了四年5400萬 這是個侮辱人的數字 尤其在看過熱火的Alonzo Mourning和子彈隊的Juwan Howard的7年1億500萬合約後 讓這數字看起來更糟了 The official NBA free-agency period opened up on July 9, 1996. Right off the bat, Lakers general manager Jerry West offered O’Neal a seven-year, $95.5 million contract. Concerned about losing their homegrown player to a big market, the Magic responded with a $100 million offer. Soon after, team owner Rich DeVos upped the ante, offering O’Neal a seven-year, $115 million contract to stay in Florida. 湖人隊總管Jerry West提供O'neal 7年9550萬的合約 這時擔心失去O'neal的魔術才趕緊回應願意提供7年1億 接著球隊老闆Rich Devos再加碼到7年1億1500萬 On July 16, one week after the start of free agency, the Orlando Sentinel put out a poll question on the front page of the newspaper: “Is Shaquille O’ Neal worth $115 million over seven seasons?” Word of DeVos’ offer got to the paper, which they in turn transformed into a question where readers would call one number to vote yes, one number to vote no. 7月16日 the Orlando Sentinel在頭版發起了一個問卷調查: O'neal 值得給他7年1億1500萬嗎? 讓讀者可以選擇是或不是 In the end, 5,111 readers made a call to place their votes. And 91.3 percent said no, O’Neal was not worth $115 million over the next seven years. 結果5111位讀者中 91.3%的人說 不值得給O'neal這麼多 The results infuriated readers who wanted Shaq to stay with the Magic. It infuriated Orlando’s front office, as well as its players. Worst of all, it disappointed O’Neal. 這結果惹怒了希望O'neal留下的讀者 也惹怒了魔術隊的球員 當然 還有O'neal本人 “It stung a lot,” [O’Neal] said years later. “A lot. I wouldn’t say it hurt me, but I don’t like being underappreciated.” O'neal說:這刺痛了我 我不會說我受傷了 但我不喜歡不受尊重與被低估的感覺 Once the newspaper poll came out, many players around the league came to the defense of O’Neal. One such player was Charles Barkley, who at the time was Shaq’s Olympic teammate for the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta, Georgia. “They’re going to be sorry this time tomorrow, because they’re going to be idiots,” said Barkley to the Los Angeles Times. “They are going to miss him. ” 投票結果出爐後 許多球員站出來支持O'neal 老巴是其中一個 他和O'neal是1996年夢幻三隊的隊友 他說:"他們以後會後悔的 一群白癡 他們一定會懷念他" Dennis Scott was another player who voiced his opinion. Scott, a teammate of O ’Neal’s for all four years in Orlando, called Magic general manager John Gabriel to give him a piece of his mind. Dennis Scott是另一個發聲的球員 他是O'neal的魔術隊友 “I screamed, ‘What the hell are you doing? What the hell are you people doing?’ It was crazy,” said Scott. “But as poorly as the Magic handled it, that poll was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Shaq can deal with a lot. He can. But when the whole city is saying he’s not worth it … nope. He was gone. And I didn’t blame him.” Scott說:"我尖叫出來 你們這群傢伙到底在搞啥鬼? 這太瘋狂了 這調查就是壓倒駱駝的最後一根稻草 當整個城市的人都說他不值得這薪水 他不走才怪 我根本不會責怪他" Scott was right. By the time Gabriel told O’Neal’s agent, Leonard Armato, that Orlando would pay the $115 million, it was too late. Shaq agreed to a deal with the Lakers, who, after clearing more cap space, offered $120 million over seven years. Scott是對的 在魔術隊提出他們願意提供1億1500萬合約時 O'neal已經和湖人簽約 在湖人清出一些薪資空間後 最後的合約是七年1億2000萬 Shaq teamed up with a young Kobe Bryant, and together the duo led LA to three consecutive championships. Meanwhile, it took Orlando 12 years and a new franchise center (Dwight Howard) before making it out of the first round of the playoffs. O'neal和Kobe一起為湖人拿下三連霸 反觀魔術隊為了接下來能踏出季後賽首輪 以及為了得到下一個看板球星DH 則花了他們整整12年的時間 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 163.27.99.193 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1640147026.A.76A.html

12/22 12:25, 2年前 , 1F
連結是車禍新聞??
12/22 12:25, 1F

12/22 12:26, 2年前 , 2F
怎麼是車禍新聞
12/22 12:26, 2F

12/22 12:26, 2年前 , 3F
你的連結是車禍新聞欸
12/22 12:26, 3F

12/22 12:26, 2年前 , 4F
短網址貼錯了
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12/22 12:26, 2年前 , 5F
請修正連結
12/22 12:26, 5F

12/22 12:27, 2年前 , 6F
又是西濱...
12/22 12:27, 6F

12/22 12:27, 2年前 , 7F
going to miss him...是懷念他的意思
12/22 12:27, 7F

12/22 12:28, 2年前 , 8F
笑了XDDDDD到底哪裡有提
12/22 12:28, 8F

12/22 12:28, 2年前 , 9F
是說以前薪水真便宜 現在超級大通膨...
12/22 12:28, 9F

12/22 12:29, 2年前 , 10F
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12/22 12:29, 2年前 , 11F
原來如此 shaq為了躲避追撞遠走洛城
12/22 12:29, 11F

12/22 12:29, 2年前 , 12F
這段好慘XD
12/22 12:29, 12F

12/22 12:30, 2年前 , 13F
看到連結整個笑出來
12/22 12:30, 13F

12/22 12:30, 2年前 , 14F
苗栗國
12/22 12:30, 14F
※ 編輯: jackie0414 (163.27.99.193 臺灣), 12/22/2021 12:31:42

12/22 12:32, 2年前 , 15F
笑死 你的連結是怎樣 我還以為是我眼花
12/22 12:32, 15F

12/22 12:32, 2年前 , 16F
可見前面酸JA的灰熊迷也可說是不意外了
12/22 12:32, 16F

12/22 12:32, 2年前 , 17F
等JA離開灰熊甚至奪冠如果灰熊還是上不去就真的重演
12/22 12:32, 17F

12/22 12:33, 2年前 , 18F
歷史
12/22 12:33, 18F

12/22 12:34, 2年前 , 19F
奧蘭多人是因為有PENNY拿翹嗎 那個投票也太搞笑
12/22 12:34, 19F

12/22 12:34, 2年前 , 20F
佛州你能要求什麼呢?(攤手)
12/22 12:34, 20F

12/22 12:36, 2年前 , 21F
可憐兒 自找的
12/22 12:36, 21F

12/22 12:37, 2年前 , 22F
那時候約好長 9年7年
12/22 12:37, 22F

12/22 12:37, 2年前 , 23F
奧蘭多人:投不同意
12/22 12:37, 23F

12/22 12:42, 2年前 , 24F
如果2019勇士辦一個K湯KD的票選 不知道球迷會投誰
12/22 12:42, 24F

12/22 12:46, 2年前 , 25F
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12/22 12:46, 2年前 , 26F
苗栗不意外?
12/22 12:46, 26F

12/22 12:47, 2年前 , 27F
一個不同意,魔術更有力
12/22 12:47, 27F

12/22 12:47, 2年前 , 28F
歐肥的魔術不弱呀,賽後賽擊敗過喬丹回歸後的公牛
12/22 12:47, 28F

12/22 12:49, 2年前 , 29F
明明是Shaq改變魔術 那時以中鋒為主打 還把錢先砸Pe
12/22 12:49, 29F

12/22 12:49, 2年前 , 30F
nny 魔術高層豬頭
12/22 12:49, 30F

12/22 12:49, 2年前 , 31F
辦那投票根本老闆想殺價 結果被湖人捧鈔票挖走
12/22 12:49, 31F

12/22 12:50, 2年前 , 32F
那個投票應該是球團跟雜誌串好的吧
12/22 12:50, 32F

12/22 12:51, 2年前 , 33F
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12/22 12:52, 2年前 , 34F
這新聞原來現在大家都不知道了啊..
12/22 12:52, 34F

12/22 12:53, 2年前 , 35F
想殺價最後小丑是自己
12/22 12:53, 35F

12/22 12:53, 2年前 , 36F
這篇正解給推
12/22 12:53, 36F

12/22 12:53, 2年前 , 37F
因為北澤也要錢 歐肥也要 負擔不起
12/22 12:53, 37F

12/22 12:54, 2年前 , 38F
結果論來說是完全的投資失敗 臭名到現在
12/22 12:54, 38F
還有 21 則推文
12/22 13:06, 2年前 , 60F
說句難聽一點 歐肥也沒要總管交易Kobe換即戰力阿
12/22 13:06, 60F

12/22 13:06, 2年前 , 61F
Kobe也是在湖人四年後才成氣候
12/22 13:06, 61F

12/22 13:10, 2年前 , 62F
他只要求要他價值內的,主要是問券吧,超不尊重人
12/22 13:10, 62F

12/22 13:11, 2年前 , 63F
民眾投票好扯
12/22 13:11, 63F

12/22 13:12, 2年前 , 64F
好想看Ja約滿走人
12/22 13:12, 64F

12/22 13:13, 2年前 , 65F
這篇講的是大歐沒忠誠問題 而且是資方主導
12/22 13:13, 65F

12/22 13:13, 2年前 , 66F
penny要是不燃燒打久一點 可能還不錯啊
12/22 13:13, 66F

12/22 13:15, 2年前 , 67F
現在隨便拿個人的薪水做同樣問卷一定也是同樣結果
12/22 13:15, 67F

12/22 13:15, 2年前 , 68F
啦,職業運動球員對世界貢獻本來跟薪水本來就不成
12/22 13:15, 68F

12/22 13:15, 2年前 , 69F
比例。設計這個問卷的人是豬頭
12/22 13:15, 69F

12/22 13:19, 2年前 , 70F
那個問卷就是去壓歐尼爾的價阿
12/22 13:19, 70F

12/22 13:19, 2年前 , 71F
本來就不用弄什麼白癡問卷,一般人根本不懂球只會打
12/22 13:19, 71F

12/22 13:19, 2年前 , 72F
嘴砲而已好嗎
12/22 13:19, 72F

12/22 13:19, 2年前 , 73F
不是設計問卷的人是豬頭 是整個高層都是豬頭
12/22 13:19, 73F

12/22 13:20, 2年前 , 74F
根本就不該出現這份問卷
12/22 13:20, 74F

12/22 13:22, 2年前 , 75F
問題不是出在轉隊,是組團,舉Shaq為例差太多
12/22 13:22, 75F

12/22 13:22, 2年前 , 76F
運動員薪水也要公投 很好 這很庶民 XDDDDDDDDDDD
12/22 13:22, 76F

12/22 13:23, 2年前 , 77F
壓價也只可能魔術降價,湖人又不會降,這問卷根本
12/22 13:23, 77F

12/22 13:23, 2年前 , 78F
來鬧的
12/22 13:23, 78F

12/22 13:25, 2年前 , 79F
就羞辱歐肥阿 當時歐肥一直被質疑不專心打球
12/22 13:25, 79F

12/22 13:25, 2年前 , 80F
這也是為什麼魔術先開給Penny
12/22 13:25, 80F

12/22 13:32, 2年前 , 81F
結果penny那合約就太早簽了,也很便宜XD
12/22 13:32, 81F

12/22 13:35, 2年前 , 82F
為什麼球星簽約時期敢作這種問卷啊 白癡嗎?
12/22 13:35, 82F

12/22 13:38, 2年前 , 83F
那個問卷如果不是LA反間計就太好笑了XDDDD
12/22 13:38, 83F

12/22 13:49, 2年前 , 84F
看起來像是老闆不情願跟價想壓價才找雜誌放問卷
12/22 13:49, 84F

12/22 13:56, 2年前 , 85F
其實就Penny人氣高比較能賣票 當年後衛搖擺人正盛行
12/22 13:56, 85F

12/22 14:07, 2年前 , 86F
那時的penny帥又人氣高 那時會高價簽他很合約
12/22 14:07, 86F

12/22 14:20, 2年前 , 87F
逼走一個歷史前三中鋒 魔術操作可以
12/22 14:20, 87F

12/22 14:50, 2年前 , 88F
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12/22 14:56, 2年前 , 89F
報紙主編是腦袋壞了嗎… 辦這種公審民調
12/22 14:56, 89F

12/22 14:58, 2年前 , 90F
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12/22 16:38, 2年前 , 91F
寫出那篇問卷調查的記者有夠智障
12/22 16:38, 91F
※ 編輯: jackie0414 (163.27.99.193 臺灣), 12/22/2021 16:46:37

12/22 16:56, 2年前 , 92F
歐瘦時期真的速度超快的~~
12/22 16:56, 92F

12/22 22:34, 2年前 , 93F
魔術當年真的是蠢
12/22 22:34, 93F

12/23 00:59, 2年前 , 94F
大歐離開奧蘭多不是為了抱團,而是不屑為不愛他的
12/23 00:59, 94F

12/23 00:59, 2年前 , 95F
城市打球。
12/23 00:59, 95F

12/23 07:38, 2年前 , 96F
這就奧蘭多球迷自己選的,老闆逃過一劫
12/23 07:38, 96F

12/23 08:32, 2年前 , 97F
那剩下的8%一定很絕望,一群智障投不同意
12/23 08:32, 97F

12/23 12:36, 2年前 , 98F
奧蘭多逼走大歐
12/23 12:36, 98F
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