Re: [外絮] O'Neal評最強五人組:中鋒Olajuwon已回收

看板NBA作者 (溫一壺月光作酒)時間11年前 (2013/07/13 05:36), 編輯推噓13(16345)
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詳細資料在下面, 先把Bird跟LBJ兩個人拿出來比較 Bird MP PER 1981 257 20.95475139 1984 305 22.73288791 1985 241 18.24651253 1986 269 22.19006324 1987 254 17.11778971 =================================== Career 1326 20.38714709 LBJ MP PER 2007 170 14.560648 2011 262 15.87720078 2012 220 24.96289673 2013 301 25.18232391 =================================== Career 953 20.67875503 結論:幾乎沒有差距 我想應該沒甚麼好爭論的了 以下是各年度的參數及所有人的uPer & PER 1981 factor 0.602973328 VOP 0.961639425 DRB% 0.610294118 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Cedric Maxwell 227 0.392576284 20.530842 2 Larry Bird 257 0.400681981 20.95475139 3 Robert Parish 167 0.372901607 19.50190137 4 Chris Ford 184 0.244911318 12.80830189 5 Tiny Archibald 203 0.183695444 9.606851666 6 Rick Robey 98 0.283756215 14.83980118 7 Gerald Henderson 95 0.385889092 20.18111712 8 M.L. Carr 110 0.276813529 14.47671458 9 Kevin McHale 83 0.206375226 10.79295244 10 Terry Duerod 6 0.598884428 31.32028617 11 Eric Fernsten 10 0.247596281 12.94871932 ===================================================================== 1 Moses Malone 269 0.428456396 22.40728977 2 Robert Reid 244 0.273353773 14.29577727 3 Billy Paultz 196 0.22824312 11.93659324 4 Mike Dunleavy 165 0.211075198 11.03875019 5 Bill Willoughby 134 0.204596077 10.69990698 6 Tom Henderson 193 0.173735918 9.085991245 7 Calvin Murphy 88 0.155680029 8.141709518 8 Allen Leavell 73 0.251016415 13.12758454 9 Calvin Garrett 43 0.257988165 13.49219109 10 Major Jones 18 0.414334867 21.66876612 11 Rudy Tomjanovich 17 -0.107803651 -5.63788446 0.286819424 1984 factor 0.57956229 VOP 1.072859553 DRB% 0.644200627 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Larry Bird 305 0.534178722 22.73288791 2 Dennis Johnson 255 0.282445503 12.01995081 3 Robert Parish 256 0.329814976 14.03583964 4 Kevin McHale 214 0.279429427 11.89159653 5 Cedric Maxwell 241 0.325122598 13.83614747 6 Gerald Henderson 179 0.326181484 13.88121015 7 Danny Ainge 98 0.244329952 10.39787842 8 Scott Wedman 73 0.371878681 15.82593244 9 Quinn Buckner 56 0.06155982 2.619783268 10 M.L. Carr 28 0.286937768 12.21112681 11 Carlos Clark 11 0.122987927 5.23396129 12 Greg Kite 14 0.023795188 1.012644877 ===================================================================== 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 272 0.495379631 21.08172632 2 James Worthy 274 0.405766274 17.26807684 3 Magic Johnson 295 0.482711602 20.5426167 4 Michael Cooper 262 0.306894752 13.06043034 5 Bob McAdoo 146 0.270636235 11.51738722 6 Kurt Rambis 156 0.271871041 11.56993652 7 Byron Scott 105 0.24248522 10.31937271 8 Jamaal Wilkes 99 0.169099738 7.196328164 9 Swen Nater 60 0.37782634 16.07904521 10 Mike McGee 42 0.245932834 10.4660918 11 Mitch Kupchak 12 0.808775522 34.41882371 12 Larry Spriggs 7 0.544318426 23.16440033 0.352470872 1985 factor 0.579398446 VOP 1.079849104 DRB% 0.72815534 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 213 0.562065248 24.08112669 2 James Worthy 234 0.404874705 17.34645417 3 Magic Johnson 235 0.480500966 20.58658612 4 Byron Scott 208 0.18648635 7.989822225 5 Michael Cooper 153 0.387386435 16.59718664 6 Bob McAdoo 117 0.046537804 1.993865942 7 Kurt Rambis 132 0.354132285 15.17244564 8 Mitch Kupchak 87 0.276190973 11.83312763 9 Mike McGee 26 0.44468894 19.05225547 10 Larry Spriggs 27 0.475878862 20.38855666 11 Ronnie Lester 6 -0.086904949 -3.723356122 12 Chuck Nevitt 2 1.174118247 50.30392885 ===================================================================== 1 Kevin McHale 240 0.461891734 19.78929207 2 Larry Bird 241 0.425882507 18.24651253 3 Robert Parish 223 0.35007114 14.9984499 4 Dennis Johnson 247 0.252716402 10.82738298 5 Danny Ainge 203 0.239695946 10.26953448 6 Scott Wedman 105 0.401951399 17.22120802 7 Ray Williams 37 0.117778042 5.046083089 8 Cedric Maxwell 54 0.192085684 8.229720145 9 Quinn Buckner 31 0.21981448 9.417732846 10 Greg Kite 44 0.131130617 5.618160919 11 M.L. Carr 8 0.278328237 11.92469657 12 Carlos Clark 7 0.861759405 36.92122485 0.35010732 1986 factor 0.591197595 VOP 1.054982933 DRB% 0.640595903 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Kevin McHale 241 0.471947239 20.37975742 2 Larry Bird 269 0.513869663 22.19006324 3 Dennis Johnson 257 0.301228546 13.00773517 4 Danny Ainge 213 0.354308251 15.2998378 5 Robert Parish 191 0.225863726 9.75331046 6 Bill Walton 117 0.399843751 17.26616447 7 Jerry Sichting 85 0.128830721 5.563204149 8 Rick Carlisle 8 0.803556878 34.69941744 9 Greg Kite 30 0.187829406 8.110901856 10 Sam Vincent 12 -0.171852268 -7.420972631 11 David Thirdkill 15 0.020366773 0.879483685 12 Scott Wedman 2 -0.337908872 -14.59167526 ===================================================================== 1 Hakeem Olajuwon 241 0.499135275 21.55379879 2 Rodney McCray 237 0.312276322 13.48480332 3 Ralph Sampson 193 0.378940082 16.36349639 4 Robert Reid 241 0.307377441 13.27325847 5 Mitchell Wiggins 133 0.233568261 10.08600984 6 Lewis Lloyd 134 0.145913548 6.300879573 7 Allen Leavell 72 0.404962189 17.48719029 8 Jim Petersen 136 0.217551369 9.394363929 9 Craig Ehlo 10 1.156774575 49.95216262 10 Steve Harris 27 0.301188647 13.00601224 11 Hank McDowell 9 0.983191894 42.45646685 12 Granville Waiters 7 0.804192383 34.72686 0.347364713 1987 factor 0.599043507 VOP 1.134160203 DRB% 0.695918367 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Magic Johnson 236 0.684214867 28.32589638 2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 203 0.443362632 18.35482472 3 James Worthy 238 0.373379981 15.45760427 4 Michael Cooper 179 0.347072494 14.36849734 5 Byron Scott 181 0.24941148 10.32541689 6 Mychal Thompson 171 0.3512117 14.53985685 7 A.C. Green 144 0.245261049 10.15359266 8 Kurt Rambis 56 0.199829186 8.272753307 9 Adrian Branch 10 0.122899521 5.087932569 10 Wes Matthews 13 -0.183981291 -7.61666434 11 Mike Smrek 9 0.143809942 5.953605664 ===================================================================== 1 Larry Bird 254 0.413481927 17.11778971 2 Dennis Johnson 244 0.420814164 17.42133791 3 Kevin McHale 231 0.37753214 15.6295 4 Robert Parish 183 0.384784808 15.92975412 5 Danny Ainge 234 0.242264454 10.02953624 6 Darren Daye 50 0.383862888 15.89158742 7 Fred Roberts 40 0.469654957 19.44330395 8 Sam Vincent 33 0.414988921 17.18017796 9 Conner Henry 15 0.230809481 9.55531042 10 Jerry Sichting 56 0.112267245 4.647765654 11 Bill Walton 24 -0.07156003 -2.962522587 12 Greg Kite 76 0.098266169 4.068133359 0.362326504 2007 factor 0.607501102 VOP 0.983104727 DRB% 0.728613569 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Tony Parker 151 0.414435016 26.3073337 2 Tim Duncan 149 0.38454799 24.41017748 3 Manu Ginobili 117 0.341413232 21.6720872 4 Bruce Bowen 167 0.09015724 5.722963779 5 Fabricio Oberto 83 0.122766427 7.792916224 6 Francisco Elson 46 0.325079256 20.6352459 7 Michael Finley 74 0.090930188 5.772028666 8 Brent Barry 42 0.157067044 9.970236507 9 Robert Horry 88 0.213635148 13.56104312 10 Jacque Vaughn 41 0.214372439 13.60784459 11 Beno Udrih 1 0.348958333 22.15103202 ===================================================================== 1 LeBron James 170 0.229382516 14.560648 2 Drew Gooden 110 0.326386416 20.71822123 3 Daniel Gibson 139 0.240573928 15.27105177 4 Sasha Pavlovic 127 0.102902108 6.531977226 5 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 103 0.266831991 16.93785023 6 Anderson Varejao 98 0.323374313 20.5270202 7 Damon Jones 65 0.242381793 15.38581068 8 Donyell Marshall 61 0.170966149 10.85251817 9 Eric Snow 41 0.237183748 15.05585134 10 Larry Hughes 44 -0.087678447 -5.565615992 11 Shannon Brown 0 0 0 12 Ira Newble 1 -0.449502161 -28.53331135 13 Scot Pollard 1 0 0 0.236303888 2011 factor 0.586860417 VOP 1.064193034 DRB% 0.739606127 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 Dirk Nowitzki 242 0.353162355 19.52908423 2 Jason Terry 195 0.378045672 20.90507571 3 Shawn Marion 214 0.255365536 14.12114002 4 Tyson Chandler 224 0.287971628 15.92418361 5 Jose Barea 128 0.203252132 11.23938596 6 Jason Kidd 225 0.192091385 10.62222172 7 DeShawn Stevenson 103 0.321268982 17.7654524 8 Ian Mahinmi 27 0.149128617 8.246477233 9 Brian Cardinal 30 0.020253371 1.119965901 10 Brendan Haywood 25 0.179457708 9.923607774 11 Peja Stojakovic 26 -0.087750048 -4.852380389 ===================================================================== 1 Dwyane Wade 234 0.546346643 30.21174104 2 Chris Bosh 237 0.246904498 13.65326363 3 LeBron James 262 0.287121995 15.87720078 4 Mario Chalmers 174 0.308467388 17.05755304 5 Udonis Haslem 176 0.145114543 8.024507991 6 Mike Miller 94 0.141160523 7.80585954 7 Mike Bibby 87 0.16902647 9.346783796 8 Eddie House 25 0.199257407 11.01848663 9 Juwan Howard 29 0.217831784 12.04560794 10 Joel Anthony 123 0.110949217 6.135242274 0.271258768 2012 factor 0.600529973 VOP 1.096250822 DRB% 0.749360614 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 LeBron James 220 0.481364404 24.96289673 2 Dwyane Wade 203 0.348781161 18.08731189 3 Chris Bosh 183 0.299075322 15.50963536 4 Shane Battier 187 0.232405595 12.05223487 5 Mario Chalmers 183 0.201994485 10.47515651 6 Mike Miller 44 0.545923496 28.31084257 7 Norris Cole 44 -0.011773765 -0.610571292 8 Udonis Haslem 81 0.107727954 5.586623712 9 James Jones 43 0.141941928 7.360913379 10 Terrel Harris 3 0.869102014 45.07043654 11 Joel Anthony 2 0 0 12 Juwan Howard 3 -0.273829063 -14.20039904 13 Ronny Turiaf 3 0.203947428 10.57643346 ===================================================================== 1 Kevin Durant 213 0.466195274 24.1762465 2 Russell Westbrook 211 0.405181433 21.01215252 3 James Harden 164 0.231046646 11.98176168 4 Serge Ibaka 132 0.252941894 13.11721916 5 Derek Fisher 128 0.160605363 8.3287735 6 Kendrick Perkins 116 0.167393987 8.680822225 7 Thabo Sefolosha 130 0.118776812 6.15960228 8 Nick Collison 83 0.263069824 13.64243967 9 Royal Ivey 3 1.82716988 94.75451996 10 Cole Aldrich 5 0.403103691 20.90440365 11 Daequan Cook 11 -0.033980128 -1.76216276 12 Lazar Hayward 5 0.231972717 12.02978644 0.289247924 2013 factor 0.610881221 VOP 1.061162841 DRB% 0.749562172 Rk Player MP uPer PER 1 LeBron James 301 0.477651337 25.18232391 2 Dwyane Wade 255 0.373455429 19.68899663 3 Chris Bosh 240 0.341709802 18.01533092 4 Ray Allen 193 0.242676746 12.79419514 5 Mario Chalmers 221 0.12348418 6.510226992 6 Shane Battier 87 0.354068191 18.66687933 7 Mike Miller 152 0.230050203 12.12850939 8 Chris Andersen 71 0.28550913 15.05236732 9 Norris Cole 82 0.08623851 4.546592698 10 Udonis Haslem 64 0.096952282 5.111435011 11 James Jones 12 0.202365674 10.66894943 12 Rashard Lewis 12 0.033365376 1.759060727 13 Joel Anthony 15 0.306052924 16.13545961 ===================================================================== 1 Tim Duncan 254 0.406910646 21.4527939 2 Tony Parker 246 0.276296159 14.56664897 3 Kawhi Leonard 255 0.369937016 19.50350189 4 Danny Green 248 0.271922452 14.33606214 5 Manu Ginobili 199 0.194828834 10.27159861 6 Gary Neal 171 0.161604223 8.519959174 7 Tiago Splitter 107 0.171414474 9.037166801 8 Boris Diaw 94 0.206353412 10.87918751 9 DeJuan Blair 17 0.549608611 28.97599356 10 Matt Bonner 36 0.210779096 11.11251463 11 Cory Joseph 43 0.193159678 10.18359878 12 Patrick Mills 13 0.096278077 5.075890139 13 Nando De Colo 5 0.186484397 9.831670338 14 Tracy McGrady 14 0.200395683 10.56508921 0.284515841 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.36.24.24

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14 Tracy McGrady 12.3349176 BJ4
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網站上顯示 整個季後賽是 7.0
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他14分鐘拿了5助4板1鍋 另外打三鐵, 這樣的PER有啥
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你可以檢視一下內容 你確定這樣數據是吻合的??
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好奇怪?
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應該沒錯 有興趣我可以把excel丟出來
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07/13 05:59, , 7F
它季後賽的另外17分鐘 拿了2助4板2抄2鍋4鐵2失1犯規
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07/13 05:59, , 8F
所以把效率拉低了
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07/13 06:09, , 9F
Cory Joseph剛剛1/MP誤輸入為0, 所以整個2013年重算
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※ 編輯: IBIZA 來自: 114.36.24.24 (07/13 06:38)

07/13 06:28, , 10F
認真魔人開始洗版面了...
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FT的部分 excel公式有一個小錯誤 修正並更新全部 
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07/13 06:39, , 12F
資料
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你們真的很無聊 浪費版面 一堆數字到底代表啥
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以為進錯版了
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比口頭上說誰強好多了....
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這麼用心只能給推了...
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用心給推
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推,這種不能po難道只有新聞box能po?
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這種總比廢文好 還是大家比較喜歡看56流的廢文
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用心給推
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開數學課囉~
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只能推了
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很多貢獻可能無法用數據呈現
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07/13 10:51, , 25F
無聊,這明明是好文結果一堆人只喜歡看廢文狂噓
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難怪說版上可以看的文章越來越少
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簡單說,冠軍賽已烙賽的LBJ,成績不輸已爆發後的Bird
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那可能真的沒甚麼好比的了
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更不用說這兩季的成績,Bird沒有一年比的上
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推 用心 認真
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07/13 12:33, , 31F
洛賽 就表示 他還有進步的空間 需要再證明自己
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表示這方面 還是不夠成熟
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推你認真= =,不過算出來LBJ還是些微較高...
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我想印象爭論可以中止了,LBJ就是數據表現較強的球員
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至於差距是帳面上的0.3,還是微乎其微,就看個人感覺
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反過來說 大鳥數據能和lbj這樣比 表示說 一個如喬單
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所述 跑不快跳不高的人數據能和lbj差不多 表示不是因
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為他是白人 而是因為他本身也很強悍 才會讓人如此推
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再過十幾二十年 若超越lbj的出現 應該也是体能強大的
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很少有跑不快跳不高的和lbj 這種天賦根本bUG的比
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這或許是大鳥為人推的地方 但當LBJ被超越時 應該...
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我想NBA會在戰一陣子吧
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我猜這也是歐肥會選大鳥的原因
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歐肥本身就是BUG 所以他本身應該很了解 強者的強項在
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那 喬單本身也是外星人 他應該也很了解為何大鳥...
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感謝這篇證明 LBJ和大鳥差不多!!
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LBJ的能力應該是領先Bird, 這點季賽的成績很明白
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LBJ只是冠軍賽不穩定 他還有機會修正這個弱點
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沒錯啊 數據令人服 但也相對證明大鳥強悍就是了
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@kaede0711 PER的0.3算沒有明顯差距, 事實上差到2之
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內都算沒明顯差距...
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畢竟數據不是像其他一些數據 這數據是代表成績
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幾乎是一是一 二是二 不太能造假
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所以數據算出來真實性 不太能質疑
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所以用數據來證明 可信度很高 只是要考量時空背景或
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其他問題!!
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所以還是感謝IBIZA 算出來 辛苦了
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補 不太能造假和約估!!! 除了加權平均
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和其他因素
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推~說無聊的只印證出自己的水平在哪
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推崇大鳥的動機反過來說就是高標準要求LBJ的動機
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LBJ前後兩次冠軍賽PER差真多
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差到10左右了
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13.83614747
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