Re: [新聞] 打臉王丹！哈佛費正清中心：他很失禮已回收

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英文逐字稿如下： Well, to be quite honest, I’m a little surprised by all of these attentions. We have a regular workshop that we travel each year, both to the Taiwan and to the Mainland, to discuss cross-strait relations. We’ve been doing it for about 20 years. We’ve been very fortunate that we receive very high attention from our friends in Taiwan. We generally meet the President or the Vice President and senior members of the administration, but we also try to meet a wide spectrum of political views in Taiwan. This year in January, when we visited Taiwan, we were at an academic meeting in Kaohsiung, and the opportunity arose to have an informal meeting with Mayor Han. Of course, we had read about his surprising electoral success in November. We were very happy to meet with him. We had a very interesting conversation about his views of cross-strait relations, his views of how the landscape in Taiwan was shifting, and it just seemed like a natural idea to invite him to share those views to our larger Taiwan studies community. So, in the end, in consultation with Mayor Han’s team, we decided that a small group session would be more useful for us. Our job, of course, is not to provide a platform for political figures from Taiwan to make political speeches, so we’re actually quite happy with the Mayor’s request that we have a small close-door gathering where the specialists on Taiwan here at Harvard could have a chance to really interact with Mayor Han rather than simply listen to him make a speech. With the internet, of course, we can listen to many speeches by different political leaders. There’s no “real value” added to our community to have a political leader come here and just make a speech. So, Mayor Han’s team was hoping for a smaller, more interactive session, that works very well from our perspective. Development of Taiwanese politics over the last year or so has come as a big surprise to many American analysts, and I think to many Taiwanese people as well. It’s our job to try understand those changes, both because we seek to better understand Taiwan, but also it’s our job to understand those changes because they are going to have implications for cross-strait relations, and if they’re going to have implications for cross-strait relations, they’re going to have implications for US-China relations and US-Taiwan relations. So, in that sense, I wouldn’t wanna say that one political figure is more interesting than another. The point is we need to better understand what is going on both in the minds of Taiwan electors, the Taiwan voters, who behave in ways that many analysts found very surprising, and also in the minds of Taiwanese policy makers, who will be making decisions that are going to shape the context in which US-China relations operate. So, we’re interested in any insights we can gain into Taiwanese politics, and there’s nothing better for gaining insights than the kinds of close interactions that we’re trying to arrange for Mayor Han’s visit tomorrow. We enjoyed our meeting with Mayor Han in Kaohsiung in January. And it seemed like a good idea if he could join us here in Harvard. It would be very discourteous of me to comment on Wang Dan. Whether he invited himself? We’re very happy he’s here. I can see because of the way the event has been organized, it’s easy to understand why there is some confusion, I can understand why Wang Dan was confused. It’s unavoidable that we have some confusion, I think clearly Wang Dan’s comments are inaccurate. There was an invitation, yes. 訪談摘略： 1. 費正清研究中心研究兩岸關係已長達20餘年，中國跟台灣兩方都會去參觀交流。 2. 跟韓國瑜搭上線的契機是今年一月到高雄參加學術會議時與韓國瑜有非正式的見面。 3. 邀請韓國瑜的主要原因是想多元化的了解台灣的政治光譜變化，因為這會牽扯到 兩岸關係的光譜變化，更進一步影響到美中、美台關係。 換句話說人家只是正經的把韓國瑜當成一個研究對象。 4. 的確不是去演講，因為他們覺得找政治人物來演講完全沒意義。 他們本來要的就是座談會形式的，比較高度互動的場合， 哈佛的專家是想直接從問問題找答案來了解韓國瑜這個人跟一些相關的台灣政治因子。 5. 的確有邀請，不過是不是韓國瑜自己邀請自己？他也沒說明。 6. 關於王丹的部分，他是說「讓我在這個訪問評論王丹我會很失禮」， 而不是說王丹很失禮。 結論： 幹你媽的汪中狗報爛集團記者聽不懂英文可以好好抄人家台視的字幕就好嗎？ 什麼王丹很失禮標題殺人ㄍㄌㄇㄉ爛記者 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 59.127.93.10 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1554978875.A.F89.html
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04/11 18:35, 5年前 , 1F
好了啦 王丹不過才拿阿扁40萬美金 不要一直追殺
04/11 18:35, 1F
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04/11 18:36, 5年前 , 2F
天啊！就一個演講，不說沒人關心的事，是要在意什麼啊？
04/11 18:36, 2F
我只是討厭汪中狗報而已
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04/11 18:36, 5年前 , 3F
國民黨的英文啊 真悲哀
04/11 18:36, 3F
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04/11 18:37, 5年前 , 4F
有邀請 但不是演講 結案 不是演講還說是演講 韓輸了
04/11 18:37, 4F
應該說人家對你韓國瑜的演講一點興趣都沒有，專家們是要當面跟你互動探你底細
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04/11 18:37, 5年前 , 5F
關鍵就在$$,因為哈佛是私立學校
04/11 18:37, 5F
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04/11 18:37, 5年前 , 6F
用這種誤導人的標題 實在沒什麼說服力
04/11 18:37, 6F
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04/11 18:37, 5年前 , 7F
小英出訪每個行程好好幫她宣傳，比關心著鳥事好多了
04/11 18:37, 7F
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04/11 18:37, 5年前 , 8F
結論就是 韓粉輸了 確實不是演講
04/11 18:37, 8F
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04/11 18:38, 5年前 , 9F
要真的能打臉王丹 哪需要用這種標題
04/11 18:38, 9F
在狗報當記者真的是要完全沒有良知跟自尊心才幹得下去ㄅ 想想也是有點可悲，幫QQ
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04/11 18:38, 5年前 , 10F
這跟哈佛有捐錢就可以去念是類似意思
04/11 18:38, 10F
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04/11 18:40, 5年前 , 11F
我們韓市長怎麼可能輸，說王丹失禮就是失禮
04/11 18:40, 11F
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04/11 18:41, 5年前 , 12F
台視的中翻應該是故意的吧？
04/11 18:41, 12F
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04/11 18:41, 5年前 , 13F
狗報連沒有的都能假造了 更何況是英文
04/11 18:41, 13F
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04/11 18:41, 5年前 , 14F
眾蛆蛆們明知道標題亂下 竟然還是高潮了
04/11 18:41, 14F
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04/11 18:42, 5年前 , 15F
推逐字稿
04/11 18:42, 15F
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04/11 18:42, 5年前 , 16F
台灣被滲透得很嚴重
04/11 18:42, 16F
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04/11 18:43, 5年前 , 17F
最後幾句話就打狂你自己的臉誒。尤其是的我們有邀請，可
04/11 18:43, 17F
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04/11 18:43, 5年前 , 18F
以轉成韓自己邀請自己，所以韓是他們的一分子歐...
04/11 18:43, 18F
所謂自己邀請自己比較像是韓表達去哈佛的意願高於哈佛邀請他的意願 或者甚至出錢給哈佛讓哈佛邀請他等等 那從這個主任的談話中聽起來 "whether he invited himself?" 後面接我們很高興有他來 這種客套話，基本上是不置可否的意思，所以我的解讀他並沒有對這個問題正面回答。 哈佛當然有邀請，都有邀請函了，只是邀請產生的原因會不會是韓導自己push的沒人知道 大概是這樣
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04/11 18:43, 5年前 , 19F
不聽英文光看字幕會覺得在批王丹失禮
04/11 18:43, 19F
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04/11 18:45, 5年前 , 20F
他是說「評論（韓）是否自己邀請自己不禮貌」
04/11 18:45, 20F
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04/11 18:47, 5年前 , 21F
喜韓如果看得懂就不是喜韓了
04/11 18:47, 21F
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04/11 18:47, 5年前 , 22F
就以為大家看不懂英文，不然你奈我何
04/11 18:47, 22F
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04/11 18:47, 5年前 , 23F
抱歉我聽錯了，把兩句混在一起了
04/11 18:47, 23F
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04/11 18:47, 5年前 , 24F
不過台視的字幕明顯有誤導之嫌
04/11 18:47, 24F
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04/11 18:48, 5年前 , 25F
http://0rz.tw/fHeN8 這篇有寫誰先說想去訪問...
04/11 18:48, 25F
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04/11 18:48, 5年前 , 26F
他是說因為組織的方式引起混淆 所以他可以理解為什麼王丹
04/11 18:48, 26F
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04/11 18:48, 5年前 , 27F
不太清楚 就這樣
04/11 18:48, 27F
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04/11 18:49, 5年前 , 28F
還有明明就不是speech 靠北 高雄市那幾隻還要凹
04/11 18:49, 28F
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04/11 18:49, 5年前 , 29F
話說政黑的逐字稿文居然是台視翻譯字幕全文，好歹應該是英
04/11 18:49, 29F
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04/11 18:49, 5年前 , 30F
不要吹噓成演講就好了呀 現在就是糗斃了呀
04/11 18:49, 30F
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04/11 18:49, 5年前 , 31F
文逐字，台視翻譯和自行翻譯比對才有推爆的價值吧？
04/11 18:49, 31F
我個人是很懶得去比對台視的翻譯啦，這樣太浪費時間惹... 反正劃重點就是哈佛的確有邀請韓，但的確如王丹所說也真的不是高市府所說的演講
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04/11 18:52, 5年前 , 32F
上個台視字幕逐字稿被推爆？政黑小鬼是沒看過以前誠品大和
04/11 18:52, 32F
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04/11 18:52, 5年前 , 33F
「不要再搖了」這兩位的筆戰嗎？
04/11 18:52, 33F
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04/11 18:55, 5年前 , 34F
說個笑話 記者
04/11 18:55, 34F
還有 51 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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04/12 05:22, 5年前 , 86F
高調
04/12 05:22, 86F
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04/12 05:22, 5年前 , 87F
高調
04/12 05:22, 87F
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04/12 05:22, 5年前 , 88F
高調
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04/12 05:25, 5年前 , 89F
高調
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04/12 05:25, 5年前 , 90F
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04/12 05:25, 90F
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04/12 05:25, 5年前 , 91F
高調
04/12 05:25, 91F
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04/12 06:50, 5年前 , 92F
下面你全省略喔
04/12 06:50, 92F
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04/12 06:53, 5年前 , 93F
王丹評論不準確---你怎麼不翻了?
04/12 06:53, 93F
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04/12 06:54, 5年前 , 94F
最後一句有邀請，你怎麼也省略掉
04/12 06:54, 94F
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04/12 06:55, 5年前 , 95F
王丹一開始罵的就是哈佛沒邀請韓，被打臉之後才轉移方
04/12 06:55, 95F
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04/12 06:55, 5年前 , 96F
向
04/12 06:55, 96F
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04/12 07:18, 5年前 , 97F
樓上又自己腦補了。 王丹講韓不是被受邀演講。腦補
04/12 07:18, 97F
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04/12 07:18, 5年前 , 98F
成他不是被受邀。喜韓兒真不是白叫的
04/12 07:18, 98F
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04/12 07:47, 5年前 , 99F
高
04/12 07:47, 99F
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04/12 07:59, 5年前 , 100F
謝謝逐字稿，真的很辛苦。其實就算是你要求對方邀請自己，
04/12 07:59, 100F
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04/12 07:59, 5年前 , 101F
他也必須要寄出一封正式的邀請函，所以當記者問他有沒有邀
04/12 07:59, 101F
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04/12 07:59, 5年前 , 102F
請（函），他當然就會說：對，我們有邀請（函）。
04/12 07:59, 102F
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04/12 08:17, 5年前 , 103F
推正確的逐字稿
04/12 08:17, 103F
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04/12 08:22, 5年前 , 104F
其實最後說王丹不準確和有邀請中間記者有插一句 “So t
04/12 08:22, 104F
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04/12 08:22, 5年前 , 105F
here was an invitation”
04/12 08:22, 105F
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04/12 08:22, 5年前 , 106F
表示他們討論的主題是「是否有邀請（韓市長）」吧？
04/12 08:22, 106F
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04/12 08:22, 5年前 , 107F
不過王丹質疑的好像是韓市長自稱是去演講這件事喔
04/12 08:22, 107F
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04/12 09:39, 5年前 , 108F
探了底細大概會做出台灣人智商堪慮這個結論吧
04/12 09:39, 108F
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04/12 10:06, 5年前 , 109F
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04/12 10:06, 109F
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04/12 10:19, 5年前 , 110F
狗報和一群唱和的舔共狗真的很難看
04/12 10:19, 110F
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04/12 10:39, 5年前 , 111F
其實關鍵是那句whether he invited himself吧...
04/12 10:39, 111F
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04/12 10:39, 5年前 , 112F
搭配他那時的臉色跟語氣...宋根本完全認為韓是自己
04/12 10:39, 112F
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04/12 10:40, 5年前 , 113F
邀請自己...所以後面才會趕快補一句 we are happy
04/12 10:40, 113F
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04/12 10:40, 5年前 , 114F
he is here...這根本就是一個補償性的語氣
04/12 10:40, 114F
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04/12 10:41, 5年前 , 115F
這也是他說王丹inaccurate而非incorrect的原因
04/12 10:41, 115F
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04/12 15:54, 5年前 , 116F
狗報是賤畜，收視狗報媒體的是更低能物種，不該具備投
04/12 15:54, 116F
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04/12 15:54, 5年前 , 117F
票權
04/12 15:54, 117F
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04/13 08:06, 5年前 , 118F
推逐字稿 剛好在找
04/13 08:06, 118F
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04/13 13:31, 5年前 , 119F
一樓文盲？
04/13 13:31, 119F
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04/13 21:07, 5年前 , 120F
韓國瑜可以邀請韓國瑜 神邏輯
04/13 21:07, 120F
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04/13 21:08, 5年前 , 121F
綠隻隻會覺得蔡英文是自己邀請自己去美國的嗎
04/13 21:08, 121F
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04/13 21:10, 5年前 , 122F
I can understand why Wang Dan was confused.
04/13 21:10, 122F
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04/13 21:10, 5年前 , 123F
主管確實打臉王丹，很難理解嗎？
04/13 21:10, 123F
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04/14 11:09, 5年前 , 124F
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04/14 11:09, 124F
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10/04 03:50, 4年前 , 125F
憨粉到底是在自我翻譯什麼?
10/04 03:50, 125F
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