[新聞] 判決下來了:大谷翔平的打擊能力不佳

看板Baseball作者 (LastDino)時間6年前 (2018/03/10 14:21), 6年前編輯推噓109(1211287)
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美國雅虎新聞 http://t.cn/REBpoHa They want to be wrong. For the sake of baseball, they want Shohei Ohtani to blossom into a true two-way player, a starting pitcher extraordinaire and power-hitting dynamo, a multinational marketing sensation. They want their eyes – the ones that have seen Ohtani this spring and believe he cannot hit at the major league level today – to be lying. 他們希望這是錯的:以棒球之神的名義阿,他們希望大谷翔平以真正的二刀流在大聯盟 生存。他們希望大谷是一位特別厲害的先發投手,並且也是一位Power型打者,成為 投手市場以及打者市場的轟動。他們希望他們在春訓時看到大谷的打擊後了解到他的打擊 無法在大聯盟生存的這件事情是假的。 Only here are eight major league scouts, seven of whom have seen Ohtani this spring, and the reports they shared with Yahoo Sports sound almost identical. They acknowledge his raw power and uncommon speed. They also believe major league pitchers are going to punish him with inside fastballs, that his swing contains flaws in balance and mechanics, and that he needs at least 500 plate appearances of seasoning in the minor leagues to give him a chance at becoming a productive major league hitter. 這裡有八位大聯盟球探,其中的七位球探跟我們分享的報告幾乎雷同。他們了解到大谷的 強打Power以及不同凡響的速度。他們也認為大聯盟投手會用內角速球教訓大谷,且大谷 在揮棒中的平衡機制中有著瑕疵,需要至少在小聯盟裡500個打席後才能讓他 成為有效率的大聯盟打者。 And for anyone other than the 23-year-old, that would be all well and good. Except the Los Angeles Angels not only have Ohtani slotted in their starting rotation, they have rejiggered it to accommodate his transition to Major League Baseball, moving to a six-man staff. While they could theoretically pull the ripcord on that and start Ohtani in the minor leagues – the rest of their starting pitchers have thrown on the standard four days’ rest this spring – the prospect of a player as hyped as any in years starting the season in Salt Lake City is farfetched. 對其他23歲的年輕人來說,在小聯盟500個打席很OK。但天使隊沒那個空間。他們不只把 大谷放在先發投手輪值上,他們還特地為了大谷在場上扮演的腳色,搞了一個六人輪值 名單。當然,他們可以對大谷的策略踩剎車,並且把他丟到小聯盟再出發(讓其他的先發 投手在這春天都正常的投一休四)。但一位展望值直破天際的選手要從鹽湖城開季出發, 這很牽強。 Which leaves them with a bit of a conundrum – a first-world problem, yes, but a challenge nevertheless: If Ohtani really does struggle at the plate as evaluators expect, how long of a leash do the Angels offer until encouraging him to focus on pitching, where scouts see frontline talent? 這讓他們有了不小的難題(儘管是個美麗的負擔,但總是一個挑戰):如果大谷真 如這些球探所言,在打擊區上打不出來。那天使隊要給多少機會後才要鼓勵他專心投球 就好?至少球探認為他的投球有著不錯的才能。 Certainly the Angels don’t intend to make any substantive proclamations after 14 plate appearances this spring. They signed Ohtani for $2.5 million, plus a $20 million posting fee, following a frenzied bidding process and want to kid-glove him as much as possible. Here’s the thing: It’s not the one hit in 11 at-bats (with three walks) that’s any concern to scouts – spring training is the home of grain-of-salt numbers – as much as what they saw in those times at the plate that gives them pause so quickly. 當然,天使隊在春訓中這14個打席後絕對不會作任何表態。他們在瘋狂標價中殺出, 用250萬鎂簽了大谷,外加2000萬鎂的入札費。他們想要好好地照顧他。重點來了: 1-11外加三個保送的表現,對球探來說沒有什麼意義,因為本來春訓就是成績看看就好。 球探而言,較有意義的是那些打席中讓球探中看到並且很快的停下手邊的筆記的情形。 One evaluator, who is familiar with Ohtani after watching all of his plate appearances from recent seasons in Japan, believes the biggest issue stems from the quality of the pitches in Japan vs. MLB. It was illustrated in a recent at-bat against Zack Godley, the Arizona Diamondbacks starter who backed Ohtani off the plate with a front-door sinker for a strike, then finished him with two curveballs, the last of which Ohtani flailed through. 其中一位跟大谷很熟的球探在看完他在日本這幾年的打席後,認為最大的差別是日本跟 大聯盟的球質不同。以蛇蛇先發Zack Godley為例:他先塞一顆內角伸卡讓他 後退幾步,再來兩顆曲球解決他。最後一顆大谷揮了個大空棒。 Another scout at the game focused on how Ohtani moved his 6-foot-4, 220-pound body – and while he believes Ohtani can be a good hitter with time, there were obvious issues. He did not, the scout said, hit from a balanced base. His front hip leaked out during his swing. He needed to cheat on inside fastballs, leaving him susceptible to a spate of other pitches. He showed a heavy top-hand swing, which is not necessarily a problem – Bryce Harper, like Ohtani a left-handed swinger and right-handed thrower, focuses intensely on his top-hand movement – but as presently constituted with Ohtani could cause a significant number of rollover groundouts, according to the scout. 另外一位球探專注在大谷如何運用他6呎4,220磅的身材。他認為大谷在時間磨練後能 夠成為好打者,但大谷有著明顯的問題。球探認為,大谷沒有用平衡的機制打 球。他的臀部都會竄出去,讓他對其他一連串的球路都感到疑惑。他依賴球棒的上手 揮棒,而這不一定是問題。Harper跟大谷一樣是左打右投,也是很重上手揮棒,但大谷的 揮棒會使得他打出一堆滾地出局。 Like the evaluator, he took a more universal view of the pitch selection Ohtani will see. It’s not just the sinkers. Heavy, hard-spinning curveballs are particularly rare in Japan, where the strikeout pitch of choice is a split-fingered fastball, and the curve’s rebirth in MLB recently makes for at least two pitches that could pose particular trouble for Ohtani. 他對大谷的選球採一個比較全面性的探討。除了伸卡球之外,球質重並且轉速快的曲球 在日本來說非常罕見。對日本來說,他們比較喜歡用快速指叉球來三振對手。而大聯盟 最近的曲球熱讓大谷變得至少有兩種球路對他而言是威脅。 “He’s basically like a high school hitter because he’s never seen a good curveball,” the scout said. “He’s seen fastballs and changeups. And you’ re asking a high school hitter to jump to the major leagues?” 「他基本上哩,就是個高中打者罷了。他從沒看過好的曲球。他看過快速球跟 變速球,阿你要這種高中打者直接去大聯盟打球???」 With any other player, the remedy is obvious: Allow him to prepare for what’ s to come against lower-level players. With the Angels intent on winning this year, they could find themselves in something of a Catch-22 with Ohtani. His greatest gift – his right arm – might be the thing that prevents him from fulfilling his desire to be a true two-way player. 對其他球員而言,補救方法很明顯:讓他去準備跟層級較低的選手對打。天使如果今年 想贏,大谷翔平對他們來說真的是個進退維谷的難題。他最好的天分,也就是他的右手, 也許會成為阻止他成為二刀流慾望的原因之一。 “You don’t learn on the job in the major leagues,” another scout said. “ You can’t.” 另外一位球探說「在大聯盟裡,沒人在做中學的啦,而且你也不能邊做邊學。」 Pitching in the major leagues is hard enough, something Ohtani is learning quickly. The Tijuana Toros, a Mexican League team, lit him up for six runs in three innings on Friday afternoon. He allowed a monster first-inning home run to Dustin Martin, a 33-year-old who topped out at Triple-A. He gave up a pair more in the second inning. By the third, his fastball velocity dipped as low as 90 mph, a bit of a surprise but not worth alarm at this point in the spring. 在大聯盟投球已經夠難了,這大谷很快地就知道了。他對上Tijuana Toros,一個墨聯的 隊伍,結果三局就打了他六分。他被Dustin Martin(最高到3A的球員而已)尻一隻超大 的全壘打,也在第二局又再掉兩分。第三局時他的直球掉到剩90mile,雖然有點小意外 ,但這個春訓來說這已經不算啥了。 Ohtani has enough to worry about already. He said the most difficult part of his transition is getting used to a schedule with no days off – and should he play designated hitter two or three times a week, as is the plan, that only exacerbates the intricacy of his days. Each facet of the game takes incredible amounts of work. There’s a reason no one has done both. 大谷要擔心的東西已經夠多了。他說來美國最難的就是要適應沒有假日的行程 。如果照他計畫中一個禮拜打兩到三次DH,這只會加劇他的負擔。一場棒球,無論什麼 方面、什麼職位,都需要很大的付出。這也是沒人能夠二刀流的原因。 When asked which side of his game was further along, Ohtani said: “About the same progress-wise. Hitting-wise, adjusting isn’t going to be as big as pitching.” The major league ball and mound are different, he said. He did not mention anything about the major league arms, which evaluators believe to be a far greater concern. 當問到大谷哪方面的狀況改善得比較多時,他回答「都差不多。打擊的話,調整不會 像投球方面一樣要大改。大聯盟的用球跟投手丘都不同。」他並沒有提到評估員們想的 :大聯盟的手臂。他們認為大聯盟的手臂對大谷來說可能才是比較大的挑戰。 Ohtani’s confidence in his bat is admirable, and perhaps he is the rare sort who can adjust on the fly, whose talent is overwhelming enough to change perceptions overnight. Special players do special things. 大谷對他的打擊自信令人佩服,也許他是那種才能高到能夠一個晚上就改過來,邊打邊 調整的球員。特別的球員總是會做特別的事情,對吧。 “That’s true,” an American League scout said, “but I don’t know if anyone is that special.” 一位美聯球探說:「對阿,這是真的。但我不認為真有人那麼特別。」 備註: 1.這我翻的,有錯幫我指正一下,感恩 2.美國春訓打到現在就把大谷噴爆了QQ但我認為這只是春訓,很多人都在調整。Trout 也打不好阿~~No mind No mind --

11/15 20:20,
前幾天我開電腦玩fallout 4 玩了半小時就突然吐了
11/15 20:20

11/15 20:21,
我還想說自己怎麼變得那麼沒擋頭
11/15 20:21

11/15 20:21,
結果十分鐘後 我爸跟我媽也突然跑去吐了@@
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11/15 20:22,
最後發現.....是晚餐時吃的貢丸壞掉了
11/15 20:22
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03/10 14:22, 6年前 , 1F
可是就算從日職觀察 也不會有太多人認為他的打擊在
03/10 14:22, 1F

03/10 14:22, 6年前 , 2F
感謝翻譯
03/10 14:22, 2F

03/10 14:22, 6年前 , 3F
MLB能發揮吧? 打擊率應該會很低
03/10 14:22, 3F

03/10 14:22, 6年前 , 4F
過玉
03/10 14:22, 4F

03/10 14:24, 6年前 , 5F
正常吧 明年3A開始
03/10 14:24, 5F

03/10 14:24, 6年前 , 6F
Trout春訓打不好跟大谷春訓打不好不太一樣
03/10 14:24, 6F

03/10 14:25, 6年前 , 7F
前者不會有任何壓力 但後者得受到一堆球探檢視
03/10 14:25, 7F

03/10 14:25, 6年前 , 8F
甚至有可能改變天使在球季初對他的定位
03/10 14:25, 8F

03/10 14:25, 6年前 , 9F
覺得有趣的是這些球探都覺得該給大谷時間來成長 結果酸
03/10 14:25, 9F

03/10 14:25, 6年前 , 10F
民看了其中一小段評論就瞬間高潮
03/10 14:25, 10F

03/10 14:26, 6年前 , 11F
謝翻
03/10 14:26, 11F

03/10 14:26, 6年前 , 12F
還是建議他放棄打擊 MLB不是讓他二刀流這樣鬧的
03/10 14:26, 12F

03/10 14:26, 6年前 , 13F
謝翻
03/10 14:26, 13F

03/10 14:26, 6年前 , 14F
美國那麼多天才都沒人二刀流 大谷在想什麼
03/10 14:26, 14F

03/10 14:27, 6年前 , 15F
跟大王一樣 一到高階聯盟就被看破手腳
03/10 14:27, 15F

03/10 14:28, 6年前 , 16F
感謝翻譯
03/10 14:28, 16F

03/10 14:28, 6年前 , 17F
感謝翻譯
03/10 14:28, 17F

03/10 14:29, 6年前 , 18F
二刀流可能會失敗 但他不挑戰就不會成功
03/10 14:29, 18F

03/10 14:30, 6年前 , 19F
MLB真的沒那麼簡單 不管投或打,單就打者亞洲球員能在ML
03/10 14:30, 19F

03/10 14:30, 6年前 , 20F
B打出成績的更是屈指可數
03/10 14:30, 20F

03/10 14:30, 6年前 , 21F
大谷就不會打大聯盟等級的二縫線速球和曲球啊
03/10 14:30, 21F

03/10 14:30, 6年前 , 22F
所以先前飛去日本看做評論的?
03/10 14:30, 22F

03/10 14:30, 6年前 , 23F
就一年吧 不行就該專心投球
03/10 14:30, 23F

03/10 14:32, 6年前 , 24F
季中不行自然就不會再給打席了
03/10 14:32, 24F

03/10 14:33, 6年前 , 25F
Zack Godley一個內角二縫線速球就把他嚇到退後了
03/10 14:33, 25F

03/10 14:33, 6年前 , 26F
結果投打都是水貨 變水貨二刀流 XDDDDDDDDDD
03/10 14:33, 26F

03/10 14:34, 6年前 , 27F
意外的是投球在春訓也沒有好成績,這樣怎麼讓其他人配合他
03/10 14:34, 27F

03/10 14:34, 6年前 , 28F
六人輪值,隊友應該對這菜鳥也很不滿,休息室氣氛...
03/10 14:34, 28F
※ 編輯: LastDinosaur (1.169.146.228), 03/10/2018 14:35:36

03/10 14:35, 6年前 , 29F
很赤裸裸的事實,但希望現在就發現對大谷是好的
03/10 14:35, 29F

03/10 14:35, 6年前 , 30F
二刀流就算會出也是出現在美國
03/10 14:35, 30F

03/10 14:35, 6年前 , 31F
要時間磨練打擊 就看開季會不會專心投球還是繼續二刀流
03/10 14:35, 31F

03/10 14:36, 6年前 , 32F
如果他是白人的話 應該會被當成有潛力的新秀
03/10 14:36, 32F

03/10 14:36, 6年前 , 33F
他的實力適合從3A開始,看同期的曾仁和就知道了。
03/10 14:36, 33F
還有 147 則推文
03/10 17:39, 6年前 , 181F
球探的意思是要他去小聯盟學吧
03/10 17:39, 181F

03/10 17:44, 6年前 , 182F
打擊不到mlb水平 需要去小聯盟練等吧...
03/10 17:44, 182F

03/10 17:49, 6年前 , 183F
日職打者對伸卡苦手不是全世界都知道了嗎?
03/10 17:49, 183F

03/10 17:50, 6年前 , 184F
大谷在日職打那鬼神成績怎麼可能只有高中生水準 記
03/10 17:50, 184F

03/10 17:50, 6年前 , 185F
者見獵心喜亂酸而已
03/10 17:50, 185F

03/10 18:00, 6年前 , 186F
樓上又在反串
03/10 18:00, 186F

03/10 18:05, 6年前 , 187F
谷迷崩潰
03/10 18:05, 187F

03/10 18:05, 6年前 , 188F
谷酸真可憐
03/10 18:05, 188F

03/10 18:15, 6年前 , 189F
Godley那天有丟內角速球?
03/10 18:15, 189F

03/10 18:20, 6年前 , 190F
喔..第二打席第一球比較裡面
03/10 18:20, 190F

03/10 18:23, 6年前 , 191F
認真覺得大谷的打擊在美國只是平均甚至不到平均水準
03/10 18:23, 191F

03/10 18:23, 6年前 , 192F
判決?
03/10 18:23, 192F

03/10 18:24, 6年前 , 193F
不要忽略日本老前輩的數據,人家也不是吃素的,到美國還
03/10 18:24, 193F

03/10 18:24, 6年前 , 194F
不是砲管變小
03/10 18:24, 194F

03/10 18:27, 6年前 , 195F
坐等大谷打臉球探
03/10 18:27, 195F

03/10 18:31, 6年前 , 196F
投球其實也滿擔心的 大谷控球真的不夠好
03/10 18:31, 196F

03/10 18:31, 6年前 , 197F
天使願意讓他“學”一年,也是蠻慷慨的XDDDD
03/10 18:31, 197F

03/10 18:36, 6年前 , 198F
他控球何止不夠好,是非常爛好嗎。 還有很多進步空間
03/10 18:36, 198F

03/10 18:37, 6年前 , 199F

03/10 18:40, 6年前 , 200F
我也覺得先在3A最少打個半季吧
03/10 18:40, 200F

03/10 19:13, 6年前 , 201F
結論就是水貨
03/10 19:13, 201F

03/10 19:24, 6年前 , 202F
天才不是說假的,不用500打席,大概50個打席就習慣了吧
03/10 19:24, 202F

03/10 19:29, 6年前 , 203F
順便讓我們深入認知亞洲打擊跟MLB的差距
03/10 19:29, 203F

03/10 19:35, 6年前 , 204F
可惜不能像中職 在一軍名單還能打二軍
03/10 19:35, 204F

03/10 19:56, 6年前 , 205F
過譽
03/10 19:56, 205F

03/10 20:02, 6年前 , 206F
從3A開始不錯啊
03/10 20:02, 206F

03/10 20:13, 6年前 , 207F
達爾剛去也說差距很大.但也拿賽揚第二名了,給點時間吧
03/10 20:13, 207F

03/10 20:32, 6年前 , 208F
一堆馬後砲
03/10 20:32, 208F

03/10 21:55, 6年前 , 209F
那一開始還捧這麼高 大谷要是不能打擊乾脆回日本算了
03/10 21:55, 209F

03/10 22:55, 6年前 , 210F
不是才打十多個打席嗎?
03/10 22:55, 210F

03/10 23:24, 6年前 , 211F
當初美國球探評價打擊模板是葛嬸..4th OF? 高中程度?
03/10 23:24, 211F

03/11 00:08, 6年前 , 212F
天使如果肯讓大谷去3a一年 餵他個500pa也不錯呀
03/11 00:08, 212F

03/11 00:08, 6年前 , 213F
他如果能進化成站穩大聯盟的投打者那一定很有趣
03/11 00:08, 213F

03/11 02:31, 6年前 , 214F
季賽沒開打一堆人急著要證明什麼啦?等打臉嗎?
03/11 02:31, 214F

03/11 02:31, 6年前 , 215F
打個半季再來下註解都還不遲
03/11 02:31, 215F

03/11 02:49, 6年前 , 216F
3a蹲一年 打臉那些專家
03/11 02:49, 216F

03/11 03:45, 6年前 , 217F
Special players do special things~~~ ( ′-`)y-~
03/11 03:45, 217F

03/11 04:11, 6年前 , 218F
開酸爭破頭,打臉跑的比鬼還快,哈哈哈哈
03/11 04:11, 218F

03/11 13:43, 6年前 , 219F
專攻投手就好了
03/11 13:43, 219F

03/11 21:32, 6年前 , 220F
高中生水準?! 不就跟中職一樣嗎?!
03/11 21:32, 220F
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