Re: [新聞] 判決下來了:大谷翔平的打擊能力不佳

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※ 引述《LastDinosaur (LastDino)》之銘言: : 美國雅虎新聞 : http://t.cn/REBpoHa : They want to be wrong. For the sake of baseball, they want Shohei Ohtani to : blossom into a true two-way player, a starting pitcher extraordinaire and : power-hitting dynamo, a multinational marketing sensation. They want their : eyes – the ones that have seen Ohtani this spring and believe he cannot hit : at the major league level today – to be lying. : 他們希望這是錯的:以棒球之神的名義阿,他們希望大谷翔平以真正的二刀流在大聯盟 : 生存。他們希望大谷是一位特別厲害的先發投手,並且也是一位Power型打者,成為 : 投手市場以及打者市場的轟動。他們希望他們在春訓時看到大谷的打擊後了解到他的打 : 無法在大聯盟生存的這件事情是假的。 : Only here are eight major league scouts, seven of whom have seen Ohtani this : spring, and the reports they shared with Yahoo Sports sound almost identical . : They acknowledge his raw power and uncommon speed. They also believe major : league pitchers are going to punish him with inside fastballs, that his swin g : contains flaws in balance and mechanics, and that he needs at least 500 plat e : appearances of seasoning in the minor leagues to give him a chance at : becoming a productive major league hitter. : 這裡有八位大聯盟球探,其中的七位球探跟我們分享的報告幾乎雷同。他們了解到大谷 : 強打Power以及不同凡響的速度。他們也認為大聯盟投手會用內角速球教訓大谷,且大 : 在揮棒中的平衡機制中有著瑕疵,需要至少在小聯盟裡500個打席後才能讓他 : 成為有效率的大聯盟打者。 : And for anyone other than the 23-year-old, that would be all well and good. : Except the Los Angeles Angels not only have Ohtani slotted in their starting : rotation, they have rejiggered it to accommodate his transition to Major : League Baseball, moving to a six-man staff. While they could theoretically : pull the ripcord on that and start Ohtani in the minor leagues – the rest o f : their starting pitchers have thrown on the standard four days’ rest this : spring – the prospect of a player as hyped as any in years starting the : season in Salt Lake City is farfetched. : 對其他23歲的年輕人來說,在小聯盟500個打席很OK。但天使隊沒那個空間。他們不只 : 大谷放在先發投手輪值上,他們還特地為了大谷在場上扮演的腳色,搞了一個六人輪值 : 名單。當然,他們可以對大谷的策略踩剎車,並且把他丟到小聯盟再出發(讓其他的先 : 投手在這春天都正常的投一休四)。但一位展望值直破天際的選手要從鹽湖城開季出發 : 這很牽強。 : Which leaves them with a bit of a conundrum – a first-world problem, yes, : but a challenge nevertheless: If Ohtani really does struggle at the plate as : evaluators expect, how long of a leash do the Angels offer until encouraging : him to focus on pitching, where scouts see frontline talent? : 這讓他們有了不小的難題(儘管是個美麗的負擔,但總是一個挑戰):如果大谷真 : 如這些球探所言,在打擊區上打不出來。那天使隊要給多少機會後才要鼓勵他專心投球 : 就好?至少球探認為他的投球有著不錯的才能。 : Certainly the Angels don’t intend to make any substantive proclamations : after 14 plate appearances this spring. They signed Ohtani for $2.5 million, : plus a $20 million posting fee, following a frenzied bidding process and wan t : to kid-glove him as much as possible. Here’s the thing: It’s not the one : hit in 11 at-bats (with three walks) that’s any concern to scouts – spring : training is the home of grain-of-salt numbers – as much as what they saw in : those times at the plate that gives them pause so quickly. : 當然,天使隊在春訓中這14個打席後絕對不會作任何表態。他們在瘋狂標價中殺出, : 用250萬鎂簽了大谷,外加2000萬鎂的入札費。他們想要好好地照顧他。重點來了: : 1-11外加三個保送的表現,對球探來說沒有什麼意義,因為本來春訓就是成績看看就好 : 球探而言,較有意義的是那些打席中讓球探中看到並且很快的停下手邊的筆記的情形。 : One evaluator, who is familiar with Ohtani after watching all of his plate : appearances from recent seasons in Japan, believes the biggest issue stems : from the quality of the pitches in Japan vs. MLB. It was illustrated in a : recent at-bat against Zack Godley, the Arizona Diamondbacks starter who : backed Ohtani off the plate with a front-door sinker for a strike, then : finished him with two curveballs, the last of which Ohtani flailed through. : 其中一位跟大谷很熟的球探在看完他在日本這幾年的打席後,認為最大的差別是日本跟 : 大聯盟的球質不同。以蛇蛇先發Zack Godley為例:他先塞一顆內角伸卡讓他 : 後退幾步,再來兩顆曲球解決他。最後一顆大谷揮了個大空棒。 : Another scout at the game focused on how Ohtani moved his 6-foot-4, 220-poun d : body – and while he believes Ohtani can be a good hitter with time, there : were obvious issues. He did not, the scout said, hit from a balanced base. : His front hip leaked out during his swing. He needed to cheat on inside : fastballs, leaving him susceptible to a spate of other pitches. He showed a : heavy top-hand swing, which is not necessarily a problem – Bryce Harper, : like Ohtani a left-handed swinger and right-handed thrower, focuses intensel y : on his top-hand movement – but as presently constituted with Ohtani could : cause a significant number of rollover groundouts, according to the scout. : 另外一位球探專注在大谷如何運用他6呎4,220磅的身材。他認為大谷在時間磨練後能 : 夠成為好打者,但大谷有著明顯的問題。球探認為,大谷沒有用平衡的機制打 : 球。他的臀部都會竄出去,讓他對其他一連串的球路都感到疑惑。他依賴球棒的上手 : 揮棒,而這不一定是問題。Harper跟大谷一樣是左打右投,也是很重上手揮棒,但大谷 : 揮棒會使得他打出一堆滾地出局。 : Like the evaluator, he took a more universal view of the pitch selection : Ohtani will see. It’s not just the sinkers. Heavy, hard-spinning curveballs : are particularly rare in Japan, where the strikeout pitch of choice is a : split-fingered fastball, and the curve’s rebirth in MLB recently makes for : at least two pitches that could pose particular trouble for Ohtani. : 他對大谷的選球採一個比較全面性的探討。除了伸卡球之外,球質重並且轉速快的曲球 : 在日本來說非常罕見。對日本來說,他們比較喜歡用快速指叉球來三振對手。而大聯盟 : 最近的曲球熱讓大谷變得至少有兩種球路對他而言是威脅。 : “He’s basically like a high school hitter because he’s never seen a good : curveball,” the scout said. “He’s seen fastballs and changeups. And you’ : re asking a high school hitter to jump to the major leagues?” : 「他基本上哩,就是個高中打者罷了。他從沒看過好的曲球。他看過快速球跟 : 變速球,阿你要這種高中打者直接去大聯盟打球???」 : With any other player, the remedy is obvious: Allow him to prepare for what : s to come against lower-level players. With the Angels intent on winning thi s : year, they could find themselves in something of a Catch-22 with Ohtani. His : greatest gift – his right arm – might be the thing that prevents him from : fulfilling his desire to be a true two-way player. : 對其他球員而言,補救方法很明顯:讓他去準備跟層級較低的選手對打。天使如果今年 : 想贏,大谷翔平對他們來說真的是個進退維谷的難題。他最好的天分,也就是他的右手 : 也許會成為阻止他成為二刀流慾望的原因之一。 : “You don’t learn on the job in the major leagues,” another scout said. “ : You can’t.” : 另外一位球探說「在大聯盟裡,沒人在做中學的啦,而且你也不能邊做邊學。」 : Pitching in the major leagues is hard enough, something Ohtani is learning : quickly. The Tijuana Toros, a Mexican League team, lit him up for six runs i n : three innings on Friday afternoon. He allowed a monster first-inning home ru n : to Dustin Martin, a 33-year-old who topped out at Triple-A. He gave up a pai r : more in the second inning. By the third, his fastball velocity dipped as low : as 90 mph, a bit of a surprise but not worth alarm at this point in the : spring. : 在大聯盟投球已經夠難了,這大谷很快地就知道了。他對上Tijuana Toros,一個墨聯 : 隊伍,結果三局就打了他六分。他被Dustin Martin(最高到3A的球員而已)尻一隻超大 : 的全壘打,也在第二局又再掉兩分。第三局時他的直球掉到剩90mile,雖然有點小意外 : ,但這個春訓來說這已經不算啥了。 : Ohtani has enough to worry about already. He said the most difficult part of : his transition is getting used to a schedule with no days off – and should : he play designated hitter two or three times a week, as is the plan, that : only exacerbates the intricacy of his days. Each facet of the game takes : incredible amounts of work. There’s a reason no one has done both. : 大谷要擔心的東西已經夠多了。他說來美國最難的就是要適應沒有假日的行程 : 。如果照他計畫中一個禮拜打兩到三次DH,這只會加劇他的負擔。一場棒球,無論什麼 : 方面、什麼職位,都需要很大的付出。這也是沒人能夠二刀流的原因。 : When asked which side of his game was further along, Ohtani said: “About th e : same progress-wise. Hitting-wise, adjusting isn’t going to be as big as : pitching.” The major league ball and mound are different, he said. He did : not mention anything about the major league arms, which evaluators believe t o : be a far greater concern. : 當問到大谷哪方面的狀況改善得比較多時,他回答「都差不多。打擊的話,調整不會 : 像投球方面一樣要大改。大聯盟的用球跟投手丘都不同。」他並沒有提到評估員們想的 : :大聯盟的手臂。他們認為大聯盟的手臂對大谷來說可能才是比較大的挑戰。 : Ohtani’s confidence in his bat is admirable, and perhaps he is the rare sor t : who can adjust on the fly, whose talent is overwhelming enough to change : perceptions overnight. Special players do special things. : 大谷對他的打擊自信令人佩服,也許他是那種才能高到能夠一個晚上就改過來,邊打邊 : 調整的球員。特別的球員總是會做特別的事情,對吧。 : “That’s true,” an American League scout said, “but I don’t know if : anyone is that special.” : 一位美聯球探說:「對阿,這是真的。但我不認為真有人那麼特別。」 : 備註: : 1.這我翻的,有錯幫我指正一下,感恩 : 2.美國春訓打到現在就把大谷噴爆了QQ但我認為這只是春訓,很多人都在調整。Trout : 也打不好阿~~No mind No mind 一個月前唱衰大谷的時候 一堆谷粉都會在底下留你有比三十隊的球探懂嗎 春訓一開打海水就退潮 當初捧大谷的三十隊球探看不出一個高中程度的打者 怎麼才過一個月 風向就變這麼亂了? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.76.96.99 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1520695301.A.9C4.html

03/10 23:23, 8年前 , 1F
正式開打了再來褒貶都還來得及
03/10 23:23, 1F

03/10 23:23, 8年前 , 2F
一年後就會被丟在3A起不了風了
03/10 23:23, 2F

03/10 23:23, 8年前 , 3F
鋒之谷
03/10 23:23, 3F

03/10 23:24, 8年前 , 4F
放心啦 明年王柏融出去也一樣照酸 酸民永久不滅
03/10 23:24, 4F

03/10 23:27, 8年前 , 5F
現在谷迷都躲起來了 跟姆迷輸到脫褲時候一樣 可憐
03/10 23:27, 5F

03/10 23:28, 8年前 , 6F
現在就說風向亂喔 開打後會更亂喔
03/10 23:28, 6F

03/10 23:31, 8年前 , 7F
本體就是投手 打爛沒啥差
03/10 23:31, 7F

03/10 23:37, 8年前 , 8F
大王被看破手腳恐怕出不去了 酸民想酸也沒得酸
03/10 23:37, 8F

03/10 23:46, 8年前 , 9F
他的打擊的看法本來就很多人質疑~
03/10 23:46, 9F

03/10 23:47, 8年前 , 10F
但是球速跟變化球ok阿~ 所以當初說他去國聯比較好
03/10 23:47, 10F

03/10 23:47, 8年前 , 11F
昨天明顯投球狀況不好才91而已
03/10 23:47, 11F

03/11 00:16, 8年前 , 12F
現在就可以先預測了啦 大王出去大概也是0.091起跳
03/11 00:16, 12F

03/11 00:17, 8年前 , 13F
中職國中生等級發球機 打擊率0.8也是笑笑
03/11 00:17, 13F

03/11 05:37, 7年前 , 14F
大谷=高中程度的打者
03/11 05:37, 14F

03/11 05:37, 7年前 , 15F
球探很客氣惹,沒有說國中程度
03/11 05:37, 15F

03/11 06:15, 7年前 , 16F
谷迷在此 只是覺得多說無益 如果大谷真的打不好
03/11 06:15, 16F

03/11 06:15, 7年前 , 17F
就代表他的能力不到,就這麼簡單
03/11 06:15, 17F

03/11 07:32, 7年前 , 18F
原文講這麼多 為什麼有人只看得到高中生三個字啊?
03/11 07:32, 18F

03/11 09:32, 7年前 , 19F
當初去日本看他的球探怎會看不出來
03/11 09:32, 19F

03/11 09:59, 7年前 , 20F
只看到高中生三個字的人 不能怪記者愛餵些沒營養的新聞
03/11 09:59, 20F

03/11 09:59, 7年前 , 21F
明明自己就愛看這些啊XDDD
03/11 09:59, 21F

03/11 12:07, 7年前 , 22F
我覺得很難講,先不評論
03/11 12:07, 22F
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