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Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]38 留言, 推噓總分: +6

作者: saviora - 發表於 2024/05/12 14:10(2周前)

1^F→tony15899: 講個笑話他口中積弱不振的北宋延續167年05/12 14:11

2^F→tony15899: 司馬炎英明神武分封諸王下一任16年亡國身死05/12 14:12

3^F→tony15899: 朱重八霸氣分封諸王下一任只活4年不知道死哪裡05/12 14:14

4^F→tony15899: 然後Judy上位繼續削藩程度真的太差了05/12 14:17

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]52 留言, 推噓總分: +14

作者: saviora - 發表於 2024/05/12 13:03(2周前)

1^F→tony15899: 我都很好奇要怎樣才是有正當繼位的合法性05/12 13:09

3^F→tony15899: 不行耶在他們眼中禪讓也都是篡位得位不正05/12 13:14

6^F→tony15899: 大概只能讓曹丕當劉協養子改姓劉可以滿足他們了05/12 13:16

22^F→tony15899: 曹丕算是戲演全套了之後一堆禪讓完前任活不過一年的05/12 13:38

29^F→tony15899: 正當性只是套個師出有名的幌子跟侵略別人家說05/12 13:48

30^F→tony15899: 這裡本來就是我的地盤一樣05/12 13:48

34^F→tony15899: 唯一信仰就是拳頭大打贏了一樣都是弔民伐罪受命於天05/12 13:50

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]64 留言, 推噓總分: +15

作者: watwmark - 發表於 2024/05/12 10:17(2周前)

4^F→tony15899: 魏晉無法長久跟政權有沒有合法性一點關係都沒有05/12 10:29

6^F→tony15899: 禪讓在程序上一堆朝代都在做李淵也是弄個魁儡玩禪讓05/12 10:30

11^F→tony15899: 東拼西湊瞎掰你跟撈這串出來的那個ID等級差不多05/12 10:51

12^F→tony15899: 然後回復都是甚麼你不懂政治05/12 10:52

13^F→tony15899: 前面漢朝好不容易壓叛亂把分封諸侯王勢力大幅削減05/12 10:55

14^F→tony15899: 然後司馬家再來玩一次大分封才是主因05/12 10:55

22^F→tony15899: 分封完下一任皇帝直接滅國你好聰明05/12 11:04

31^F→tony15899: 所以分封出去也沒能保住政權的結果你看不到?05/12 11:16

32^F→tony15899: 後面朝代哪個皇帝按照你們的邏輯即位有合法性?05/12 11:19

34^F→tony15899: 每個都是權臣/地方勢力篡位逼前任玩禪讓05/12 11:21

43^F→tony15899: 朱重八也是沒學乖的例子雖然他給孫子留下的中央軍05/12 11:36

44^F→tony15899: 勢力還是強得多無奈建文帝跟曹爽一樣笨05/12 11:37

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]27 留言, 推噓總分: +11

作者: DarthCod - 發表於 2024/05/11 21:57(2周前)

14^F→tony15899: 後漢書寫的更早的紀錄就不知道05/11 22:06

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]88 留言, 推噓總分: +53

作者: asewgek - 發表於 2024/05/11 21:18(2周前)

34^F推tony15899: 這可以難怪人稱臥龍05/11 21:36

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]25 留言, 推噓總分: +6

作者: HarunoYukino - 發表於 2024/05/11 20:47(2周前)

10^F→tony15899: 劉表底下一堆人都有勸他在官渡之戰時做出決定05/11 20:53

11^F→tony15899: 要碼夾擊曹操不然就歸順曹操他自己愛發呆怪不了人05/11 20:54

13^F→tony15899: 他本身沒那實力底下人會進言嗎...05/11 21:02

19^F→tony15899: 曹丕實際上當年就三路伐吳了雖說算是被孫權拖延05/11 21:20

20^F→tony15899: 孫策是可以列入官渡if路線不過當年他就GG了05/11 21:22

21^F→tony15899: 孫家還是去洗洗睡吧05/11 21:22

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]20 留言, 推噓總分: +7

作者: tony15899 - 發表於 2024/05/11 20:13(2周前)

15^F→tony15899: 實質上差不多名義上漢室復興皇帝還是姓劉05/11 20:27

16^F→tony15899: 所以史實路線就差不多是最佳解05/11 20:27

Re: [三國] 轉生漢獻帝該如何扭轉?

[ C_Chat ]266 留言, 推噓總分: +17

作者: ccyaztfe - 發表於 2024/05/11 17:01(2周前)

18^F→tony15899: 想太多了自殺找個人代替就好05/11 17:11

22^F→tony15899: 劉氏皇族生的比狗還多魁儡放誰根本不重要05/11 17:12

81^F→tony15899: 曹操殺了懷孕董貴人伏后外加她生的兩個皇子05/11 17:30

82^F→tony15899: 你以為他不敢弒君只是不需要沒事承擔這個惡名而已05/11 17:31

96^F→tony15899: 你好懂政治在迎接獻帝之後有實力的軍閥裡05/11 17:36

97^F→tony15899: 哪一個是他媽的忠臣05/11 17:36

[閒聊] 劉備若是派關羽去耒陽縣考察龐統會怎樣?

[ C_Chat ]58 留言, 推噓總分: +33

作者: HAHAcomet - 發表於 2024/05/06 21:24(3周前)

34^F→tony15899: 正史是被免官魯肅+孔明強力過件...推薦給劉備05/06 22:13

[閒聊] 信長跟曹操誰比較強?

[ C_Chat ]124 留言, 推噓總分: +60

作者: HEAVENFINAL - 發表於 2024/05/03 20:30(3周前)

26^F→tony15899: 曹丕曹睿不是依靠曹操鋪好的天下???05/03 20:45

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