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[閒聊] 以現代角度思考,袁紹根本就是垃圾吧
[ SAN ]40 留言, 推噓總分: -1
作者: GrexJosh - 發表於 2021/05/08 00:19(3年前)
11Ftim1112: 挾天子沒那麼了不起 以後面發展來看 手上沒天子的蜀吳就05/08 06:23
12Ftim1112: 算國力不如魏 大致上也能混得不錯 何況官渡那時袁紹手上05/08 06:24
13Ftim1112: 沒天子也一樣能在總戰力上壓倒曹操 對北方邊境異民族跟黑05/08 06:25
14Ftim1112: 山軍也幾乎都撫順或壓制得很成功05/08 06:25
15Ftim1112: 至於那曹總經理 他當代名聲本來就不怎樣了 祖上既有宦官05/08 06:27
16Ftim1112: 背景 自己又幹過大屠殺劣行 有人反對他位登九五很正常05/08 06:28
17Ftim1112: 而且荀彧是把自己定位成原公司幹部吧 那麼他效命的是那個05/08 06:28
18Ftim1112: 董事長 請問董事長有很喜歡曹總經理嗎?有什麼理由荀彧一05/08 06:29
19Ftim1112: 定要站在曹的那邊?真要批評荀彧 那也是要批他前期還是幫05/08 06:30
20Ftim1112: 了曹操 這叫助紂為虐05/08 06:30
21Ftim1112: 另外許攸也沒有多無辜 他家人犯法在先 本人品行多半也不05/08 06:37
22Ftim1112: 佳 投奔所謂明主後還管不住自己的嘴在那吹噓得罪人 被殺05/08 06:38
23Ftim1112: 頭剛好而已05/08 06:38
24Ftim1112: 而且批評私怨就更好笑了 連三國志武帝紀都說曹東伐徐州05/08 07:20
25Ftim1112: 是"志在復讎"而且"所過多所殘戮" 曹爹的命就是命可以照05/08 07:21
26Ftim1112: 私仇辦事 而袁紹就不能因為私怨不迎獻帝?05/08 07:21
[問題] 如何處理降兵?
[ SAN ]84 留言, 推噓總分: +17
作者: AllMyOut - 發表於 2021/04/30 17:32(3年前)
11Ftim1112: 降兵可以拿來當糧食嗎04/30 22:35
Re: [討論] 關羽失荊州得到平反
[ SAN ]43 留言, 推噓總分: +9
作者: mybelief - 發表於 2021/04/26 02:39(3年前)
8Ftim1112: 那是東吳打不贏,而非關羽打不贏。04/26 12:55
29Ftim1112: 關羽再打久一下漢中也會跟著出兵了吧 隆中對本來就是左右04/26 19:40
30Ftim1112: 策應的04/26 19:41
[請益] 袁紹一家基因有問題嗎?
[ SAN ]68 留言, 推噓總分: +14
作者: GrexJosh - 發表於 2021/04/21 22:12(3年前)
20Ftim1112: 問題是郭圖逢紀在冀州攻略時也有蔣對話的時候04/22 22:01
21Ftim1112: 烏巢戰曹操也接近被袁紹援兵捅屁屁了04/22 22:02
22Ftim1112: 如果淳于瓊更強一點搞不好能裡應外合反殺曹軍04/22 22:03
23Ftim1112: 此外天子獻帝部分 比如袁家跟董卓有血仇 而獻帝是董卓立04/22 22:04
24Ftim1112: 的 袁紹也可能先天就不喜歡獻帝 至少曾有他想擁立劉虞的04/22 22:04
25Ftim1112: 跡象(獻帝搞不好被分到董卓餘孽那邊)04/22 22:05
26Ftim1112: 然後不要分封諸子 青州刺史他也曾經委任給頗有名的臧洪04/22 22:06
27Ftim1112: 但他打公孫瓚指派的青州刺史田楷沒打下 反而換成袁譚接任04/22 22:07
28Ftim1112: 刺史就打下了 對袁紹來說 搞不好自己小孩也比外人可信(至04/22 22:07
29Ftim1112: 少袁紹活著時家裡沒網內互打)04/22 22:07
30Ftim1112: 另外讓顏良獨自領軍其實也真的沒有04/22 22:08
31Ftim1112: 武帝紀是說"紹遣郭圖、淳于瓊、顏良攻東郡太守劉延於白馬04/22 22:12
32Ftim1112: "起碼是有另外兩軍幫忙顏良的 至於自家勇將被敵方神將秒04/22 22:12
33Ftim1112: 殺 這個比較像是無法預料的天災04/22 22:12
34Ftim1112: 另外烏巢那場 郭圖也許高估張郃高覽的威力 但張郃也有點04/22 22:18
35Ftim1112: 錯看自軍救援的速度 因為袁紹派輕騎就烏巢也一樣來不及04/22 22:19
36Ftim1112: 我覺得袁紹在某些時候的選擇也不見得全錯 他們一眾比較像04/22 22:20
37Ftim1112: 細部操作上的失誤(可能疏忽或者能力真的不夠)才導致敗北04/22 22:21
38Ftim1112: 但曹軍也不是說沒有幸運成分 同樣是敵方要員投奔 許攸也04/22 22:25
39Ftim1112: 可能幹的是跟黃蓋一樣的事情(曹操要怎樣判斷烏巢沒有重兵04/22 22:25
40Ftim1112: 招呼)04/22 22:26
48Ftim1112: 這樣一開始就跟袁了吧 可是麴一開始是在韓那04/23 08:18
49Ftim1112: 而且麴如果兵皆驍銳,且一反叛韓就戰勝後者,那表示他應04/23 08:20
50Ftim1112: 有一批不知在那實戰練過的手下04/23 08:21
51Ftim1112: 感覺麴袁搭上線還是在反叛韓之後04/23 08:22
58Ftim1112: 其實我對羌鬥這種戰技一直不太懂 印象中西北邊應該也有不04/24 06:59
59Ftim1112: 少騎馬的 但照麴義的成名戰 他肯定不是用騎兵贏的04/24 07:00
60Ftim1112: 那麼所謂的羌鬥 歷史上有沒有具體記載是怎樣的技術?04/24 07:00
67Ftim1112: 但界橋附近算狹長地型嗎04/24 17:04
Re: [問題] 曹操葛屁之後,怎麼劉備什麼動作都沒有?
[ SAN ]8 留言, 推噓總分: +7
作者: colamonster - 發表於 2021/04/24 01:43(3年前)
2Ftim1112: 當時首敵是東吳 劉備再憤怒也不想一打二啊 現在沒二弟了04/24 07:04
[閒聊] 劉備勢力最好的將領與策士
[ SAN ]40 留言, 推噓總分: +11
作者: ggxxsheep - 發表於 2021/04/19 22:39(3年前)
2Ftim1112: 最好的將領跟策士都是丞相吧04/19 23:30
[閒聊] 董卓是大壞蛋?
[ SAN ]16 留言, 推噓總分: +8
作者: a0802459 - 發表於 2021/04/11 00:38(3年前)
9Ftim1112: 比起曹操有過之而無不及 那就是壞蛋啊04/11 08:53
Re: [閒聊] 呂蒙取荊州
[ SAN ]38 留言, 推噓總分: +10
作者: age317 - 發表於 2021/04/04 23:40(3年前)
13Ftim1112: 京觀其實沒那麼糟吧 畢竟連史載人還滿好的皇甫嵩 砍張寶04/05 19:00
14Ftim1112: 後也"築京觀於城南"04/05 19:01
Re: [閒聊] 董卓傳-董卓之後(最終回)
[ SAN ]37 留言, 推噓總分: +34
作者: kea - 發表於 2021/04/01 12:19(3年前)
30Ftim1112: 推 今天才在誠品翻完橫走波瀾 下週日再去找你的新書04/04 22:26
Re: [閒聊] 漢獻帝算不算很爽的末代皇帝?
[ SAN ]17 留言, 推噓總分: -1
作者: GrexJosh - 發表於 2021/03/20 20:45(3年前)
14Ftim1112: 笑死談夫妻感情?前兩個死的老婆最好可以用她或她家先出手03/22 19:37
15Ftim1112: 來抹殺感情啦03/22 19:37
16Ftim1112: 摔子是真情流露 那人本來就重視兄弟勝過妻兒的 本來每個03/22 19:38
17Ftim1112: 人重視的人際關係就不一樣03/22 19:38