Re: [外絮] Rodman:聯盟變太快，球員奪不了冠就會被

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既然被點名了, 我就單純回應有關Popo的部分. "Rodman had a promise from the prior administration to extend his contract, adding a season at $6 million. The new people said he had to prove himself first and act like everyone else too. " 你把 "prove himself first" 翻成新管理層認為Rodman的場上表現還不值得$3.5mil的加薪. 實際上, Popo要的是他的場下表現 ---- 只要他遵守紀律, Popo就會給錢 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/339291/DANCING-ON-THE-EDGE-OF-LUNACY.html If anything, Rodman's curious image has expanded since being traded last summer from Detroit to San Antonio. He avoids the dressing room until moments before games, rather than arriving the normal 1 1/2 to 2 hours early. He skips warmups. "I still haven't adjusted to that," says San Antonio teammate David Robinson. "But there's a lot of things you can put up with when you win. After all, I'm a discipline-oriented guy." Rodman doesn't join the team until the national anthem. During the exhibition season he missed his teams' game-day shoot-around, explaining, "I'm not a shooter. 比賽前最後一刻才到場, 不熱身, 不到唱國歌的時候不現身, 季前賽搞消失. 這跟他的形象完全符合, 可是Popo怎麼可能容忍這種特立獨行? 以下為Popo當初原本有意思幫Rodman加薪的證據 : http://tinyurl.com/jmtrecs When Popovich left the Golden State Warriors' coaching staff to become the Spurs' GM before last season, he agreed Rodman deserved a big raise. 當Popo剛轉到馬刺隊時, 他認為Rodman值得大幅加薪. But talks were frozen after Rodman missed the opening of camp, and subsequent fines, suspensions and a leave of absence precluded any possibility of a new deal that by now might have had him where he wants to be financially. "I would have to have been a blithering idiot to give him more money or even talk to him about it," Popovich said. ※ 引述《casatwl (Bravo!)》之銘言： : : 推 huntai : Popo這段寫反了吧? 當初Popo也認為Rodman值得加薪 02/10 00:37 : : → huntai : 3.5Mil, 但是Rodman卻在開季訓練營搞失蹤 02/10 00:37 : : → huntai : 然後一系列的罰款, 禁賽, 脫序, 請假, 搞到Popo極度 02/10 00:38 : : → huntai : 不爽.還放話 "我要是跟他談加薪我就是個白癡" 02/10 00:39 : : → huntai : 員工要老闆加薪,公司守則就算你不再不屑至少也做做 02/10 00:40 : : → huntai : 樣子吧. Rodman這樣自己一副老大的樣子, 再加上Popo 02/10 00:41 : : → huntai : 這麼注重紀律的人, 你不是明著逼他趕走你嗎? 02/10 00:41 : https://tinyurl.com/heukwdp : San Antonio Spurs general manager Bob Bass On benefits of trade (via LA : Times): : “Everybody thought we were a marshmallow team. In making this trade we feel : we have really improved in (rebounding). He said he just wanted to win and : would show us how to win. In Dennis Rodman, I think we have one of the most : unique players that has ever played basketball. He proved his value to : Detroit last year. They were 4-15 without Rodman and 36-26 with him, and : their defensive average was 98 points with Rodman and 112 points without him. : Those are astounding statistics.” : Spurs head coach John Lucas: : “Rodman is the type of player who will be good for me.” : ------------------------------- : 交易來 Rodman 的 GM 與當時的教練都把 Rodman 當寶，Rodman 感覺到被重視， : 1993-94 球季他當然是全力以赴回報 GM 與教練的善意。 : 過了一年換了新的 GM 與教練，怎知對待 Rodman 的態度如天壤之別呢？ : 這種情況下希望任何一位球員能夠保持表現，應該是一件很困難的事吧！ : ------------------------------- : http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-10/sports/sp-64421_1_jack-haley/2 : By the time this season started, the Spurs were under new management. : The new CEO, Robert McDermott, an insurance magnate, liked to be called : "General," his rank in the reserves. Lucas was encouraged to leave. McDermott : hired no-nonsense Gregg Popovich as general manager. Popovich brought in : straight-arrow Coach Bob Hill. : Rodman was no easy convert. In Detroit, he had lamented Chuck Daly's exit so : keenly, he wouldn't talk to his successor, Ron Rothstein. : Rodman had a promise from the prior administration to extend his contract, : adding a season at $6 million. The new people said he had to prove himself : first and act like everyone else too. : By way of reply, Rodman blew off the pre-camp dinner and arrived late for the : first exhibition. They put him on leave, then suspended him for the first : month of the season. : --------------------------------------- : Rodman 在 1993-94 球季的表現還不夠讓新團隊為他延長合約， : 新的 GM Popovich 告訴他，除了場上表現要證明自己以外， : 你必須跟其他人一樣服從球隊指命。 : 等做到這些以後，再來談加薪。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 219.92.39.73 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1486705699.A.DEB.html
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值得加薪 最後還不是沒加QQ
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這一串是切入觀點的落差 站在誰的角度看事情
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前一年有實績,但新管理層確實沒加.比共體時艱還惡劣
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波波不能忍受小蟲我行我素 小蟲也不接受波食言而肥
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嘎歐狼認為，能馴服小蟲，就是禪師比潑潑厲害的地方
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。所以禪師>潑潑。
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說穿了就個性不合而已啊…
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如果前任有Promise,那新任至少先做到再要求其他,而
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不是扣著還要加條件. 換成一般人被公司這樣搞也怒
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Google標題史上第一總教練-禪師。該篇好文還在。
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但就季後賽與NBA冠軍來說 這種事情要想辦法拖到休賽
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不該在季中爆炸 搞成這樣 管理層要扛大部分責任
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說真的，那時候大家普遍都知道小蟲的個性，所以popo
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到底是哪來的自信認為這樣做能讓他接受呢??
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不過波波留人給的錢一向都不手軟吧，像03年的TD，
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續約的小綠、澳洲王，還有之前的Manu，感覺就不太會
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故意不給大約
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搞不好是學到經驗了
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噓
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紅明顯 就是沒達到Popo要求 所以沒有加薪阿XDDD
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GM跟教練的角色不同,GM牽扯到合約金錢這種事責任更
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大,職業球員就是為了錢打球,跟當兵只在意錢/假無異
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防守一隊 籃板王 表現不值得加薪?要立威就說 裝
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什麼？
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看以哪方面角度 講難聽點 你也可以說小蟲拿著加薪
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就像你主管看你今年表現好答應過年後加薪,結果過年
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後換主管說標準跟前任不太一樣喔,等你達新標再來談
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承諾這免死金牌在94-95季賽搞亂 雙方都有問題沒錯啊
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這種表現也不加薪，真的該噓
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Popo在換掉總教練自己下去帶的時候可是黑得跟什麼一
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能力強4點做完 老闆叫你6點下班 不然帶壞同事 你
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有2冠 同事0冠
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樣XD 不過他的風格也帶出實績了 就小蟲不適合Popo
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波波應該要先把前任答應的承諾做到,然後再開新條件
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給新的加薪目標,這樣不是更好?
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當時Popo也算是高層的菜鳥吧(?) 就當作新官上任三把
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那個人回兩篇一直打太極阿 根本就是刺黑點名而已
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火 兩方衝突早晚得走一個 反正有處理掉問題(?)
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而且前一任找小蟲來時肯定知道小蟲就是個人行為比較
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小蟲他絕對傳奇 不過他對馬刺是害而已
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還有 166 則推文
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在一個非robinson迷眼裡都知道這黑的論述有夠差勁
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rodman很好但對馬刺可能副作用更大 這也有得黑 so
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funny
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因為LBJ生涯對馬刺的戰績超爛，所以只能見縫插針努
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力酸了，我們應該抱持著胸懷看他們
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大羅沒什麼好黑的，早就蓋棺論定了。他就是個好人好
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事代表，也是個好運動員，但心理素質不夠拿不到冠軍
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明明LBJ也跟馬刺沒啥仇，就是有些人硬要罵成好像仇
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恨有多大，整天想要挑起紛爭，可憐可憐他們吧
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TD跟勞資爭議的縮水賽季幫助大羅拿到第一個冠軍。
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黑一個像大羅這麼善良的好人好事代表，蠻無聊的。
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大羅在美國和NBA的地位早就無庸置疑了 他會在乎PTT
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有台灣球迷黑他嗎? XDD
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說起來，或許LJ那個四分打也該記上一功。
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不然出線的是溜馬還可能有點看頭，偏偏聯盟捧大城市
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蛇摸地位??他最大的貢獻不就是讓球隊選到TD嗎
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David Robinson的人格善良跟熱心公益不容任何人質疑
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NBA要講好人，David Robinson說第二沒人敢稱第一。
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噓
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還好啦 至少我皇的MVP得票率都超高 哪像鄧肯靠道德
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獲獎呢？
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好賭的MJ，玩女人玩到中標的Magic，嘴巴賤的大鳥，
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我皇少打鄧肯五個賽季 結果MVP+FMVP多出鄧肯兩個
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懶散的歐肥，這些人在人格上都沒有大羅的高潔。
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大羅就好人 當年輸球也是事實沒啥黑的 不代表POPO好
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背水一戰，大夢39分17籃板5火鍋。真的神。
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反正就是兩人不對盤就對了
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前人承諾接手的就要履行？ 那18%是…？
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18%也能扯 給小蟲高薪 馬剌會破產喔?拜託一下
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這邏輯推導也太有才了XD
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就Popo跟小蟲性格不合而已
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也沒什麼對錯 跟Popo不合的也不只小蟲
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馬刺想要仰賴Popo這種管理而已
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愛滋魔術他們原來私底下品行好啊
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道德獲獎XDDD 我覺得這有成為簽名檔的潛力
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G大你不要隨便幫LBJ拉仇恨值好不好，看了我都汗顏..
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講實在點,以POPO的風格一定不想留小蟲這種style的
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都不聽訓了，哪還會給你加薪XD
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