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: Ronald Eckert (May 26th, 2016) : I know it's a bit silly. I do. 我知道這樣講有點誇張，相信我，我知道 : I joined the Army 23 years ago and went on to retire after a career I am quite : proud of. I am no Captain America (The good one and certainly not the Nazi one) : , but Captain America was a character I could always identify with. 23年前我加入了美國陸軍，經歷了一段值得自豪的職涯，現在已經退休了。我從不認為自己就是那個美國隊長 (不是好人隊長、更不會是納粹隊長)，但是美國隊長的角色一直是一個我身分上可以認同的對象。 : When faced with the moral and ethical dilemmas I faced in my 21 years in the : service, I always tried to maintain the values that Steve Rogers preached. 在服役的21年間，每當我面對道德良知的衝突時，我會盡可能堅守Steve Rogers這個角色所傳達的價值。 : It was never about being loyal to a system or a group. It's about being true : to yourself and what you know to be right. I took many lumps along the way, : knowing that I could stand up and face myself in the mirror every morning. 這個價值從來就不是對於系統或是團體的效忠，而是忠於自己和自己的良知。一路上我經歷許多顛波，但每天早上，我都能在鏡子前挺身面對自己。 : This move by Marvel is so fundamentally and disgustingly wrong. Marvel這次的動作從根本上就大錯特錯，令人不齒。 : There are so many other characters that could have been used to make whatever : political point Marvel writers are trying to make. Captain America is the : wrong choice on so many levels, the biggest and most important of which is the : fact that he was conceived and created by Jewish writers as a beacon of hope : against the Nazi aggression in Europe. Marvel的作者們有無數個角色可以選擇、可以用來表達他們的政治觀點；但美國隊長在許多層面上來說都是一個錯得最離譜的選項，而其中最關鍵的一點就是，美國隊長是由猶太裔的作者為了反對納粹在歐洲的侵略，所設計、創造出一盞希望的明燈。 : This "jumping the shark" idea is so ill-conceived. It isn't art. It's an : unfeeling and shameless gimmick. 這種純粹為了吸引目光而自毀前途的想法實在太邪惡了。這種行為不是藝術創作，只是一種冷感且無恥的手段。 : In the last several years, I have had discussions with friends about how : antisemitic sentiment is becoming more acceptable as seen in media and : entertainment. This just seems like one more example of a very disturbing : trend. It isn't even attempting to mask itself. It is pretty blatant. It feels : like petulance. "I'm a liberal angry with an America I hate. I have the power : to destroy an American Icon, so I will. It will make me feel better about my : own hate and anger." 幾年來我和朋友們討論過，反猶太情緒在媒體和娛樂界開始逐漸被人們接受；這次美國隊長的事件，也只是讓這種潮流又多了一個例子，相當令人不安。它甚至連一點掩飾都沒有，如此的明目張膽，卻只顯得非常幼稚，就像是在說：「我是自由派的、我討厭現在這個美國。我有能力摧毀這個美國的象徵，所以我就要這麼做。這能讓我對於這份厭惡和憤怒感覺良好。」 : There really aren't too many heroes that Soldiers really identify with. The : ones they do are pretty extreme. The Punisher and Captain America are among : the top two. Both are men of conviction. Both have a very developed sense of : right and wrong. 說到英雄，其實沒有幾個英雄角色，是士兵們能夠認同而且與自身連結的。少數幾位都是非常極端的角色，而制裁者和美國隊長就是最具有代表性的兩位。兩者都是有強烈信念的男子漢，而且都帶著很明確的善惡意識。 : One appeals to the darker nature of the job we are given. It's appealing to : have the conviction that all of our actions are justifiable and righteous in : the end, and thereby avoiding any feeling of guilt. 制裁者對我們的吸引力，是基於士兵們在職務上黑暗的本質；大家都很希望自己的行動都是有正當理由、出於正義的，藉此能夠消彌我們的罪惡感。 : The other is who we all really want to be in uniform. The one who avoids : guilt, because he truly knows he made the right decisions based morals and : ethics. I never boycott anything really. It's not in my nature. This, however, : has me swearing off Marvel as a brand. I am just one man, but I know I've : spent more than my share on movies and merchandise. 而美國隊長則是我們這些穿制服的人，所想要看齊的對象。他不會有罪惡感，因為他總是能基於道德和良知做出正確的決定。我過去從來沒有參與過任何抵制活動，這不符合我的個性；但Marvel這次的動作讓我決定徹底放棄這個品牌。我只是一個人，但我知道我在電影和周邊商品上花的錢，已經超過我的份了。 : It's just such an ugly attack. It feels personal. 真的是太難看了，難看到就像是針對我來的一樣。 : ============================================================================== : Emily Fredrickson (May 27th, 2016) : @Ronald Eckert yeah it does. : My great uncle was in the war and saw the really horrible things the Nazis : did. He is over 90 years old and he has dementia, and he still won't talk : about it. 我曾舅舅經歷過二戰，親眼見過納粹的恐怖。他已經高齡90，有老人痴呆，但仍從來不談那些事。 : It is just sad to think this is what someone like Steve Rogers has been : reduced to: a Dancing Monkey for people with political statements. What that : writer did was Pure Bully! Everything Steve Rogers hates! 這真的讓人倍感悲哀，看到Steve Rogers這個角色變成人們發表政治聲明的魁儡。這個作者的行為是純粹的霸凌！就是Steve Rogers最痛恨的行為！ : He didn't want to kill anyone, he didn't like Bullies. This writer is a bully : and I think he should be fired for this. Steve Roger從未主動想要殺人，他討厭霸凌者。這個作者就是個霸凌者，而他應該為此被開除。 -- 很久沒翻，熬夜後失眠手癢就來弄一下嘛...美隊在文化指標的意義上可以理解老美(國人)的反彈那Marvel這邊嘛，感覺像是炒話題的成分居多至於是不是在呼應某種新的政治正確 (對於老美世界警察身分的反思之類的?) 我認為真有這種意圖的話，應該有更好發揮更好引發反思的作法，感覺不太像不過其實我並不是很care就是了-w- ps. 英文的稱謂真TM簡單= = 胞曾叔祖是三小啦... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.227.223.18 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1464479596.A.A16.html

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