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32F推:從關原到大阪 德川家在穩固幕府 清算親豐臣派大名12/27 09:48
33F→:向朝廷施壓 全面削弱豐臣家勢力 逆轉主從關係12/27 09:49
34F→:本能寺前織田家沒有統一日本 但是秀吉的時候全日本基本12/27 09:50
35F→:處於承認秀吉是天下共主的狀態 要一下拔掉豐臣家不容易12/27 09:50
40F推:不支持改成日本史版..11/30 10:13
3F推:第一點光秀沒死的說法是有的 但是不是輔佐秀吉 是德川11/03 15:35
4F→:GOOGLE 天海大僧正 或 南光坊天海11/03 15:36
5F→:至於說秀賴不是秀吉親生的 可能是因為後期只有茶茶會生11/03 15:38
6F→:但是個人認為如果秀賴是三成的兒子 茶茶對關原之戰的11/03 15:39
7F→:態度應該會更積極 沒道理讓自己兒子的生父輸掉11/03 15:40
18F推:推葵三代11/11 13:16
3F推:我覺得功名十字路就很坦白 跟隨強者才有出頭的機會10/19 12:43
4F→:一直用義包裝但是又一直露餡 嘴巴說不要 身體很誠實10/19 12:44
5F→:是這部編劇非常失敗的部份 很難引起共鳴10/19 12:44
8F推:樓上這樣說感覺像是戰國臉書的感覺 如果真的有很有趣10/19 18:14
3F推:我說拔掉可能太過了 不是指除家名 是指只經臣服於德川10/18 13:48
4F→:利家死後 就沒人能制衡家康了 加上利長也被收服10/18 13:48
5F→:五大老原本第二強的位子被收掉 幾乎沒有對抗能力10/18 13:49
6F→:後來德川與前田關係不錯 秀忠也送女兒跟前田結親10/18 13:50
7F推:第四代藩主就是秀忠的女兒生的 加賀藩藩主有德川血緣10/18 13:55
8F→:沒有被養子亂血緣也是可以理解的10/18 13:55
9F→:第四代藩主的正室是德川賴房的女兒 可知前田家與德川的10/18 13:59
10F→:姻親關係維持的不錯10/18 14:00
16F推:我是在回應這篇原PO說的 沒有被亂血統的事情10/18 17:22
17F→:前田家有男嗣 而且又是德川的血統 跟德川關係好10/18 17:23
26F→:我想知道濃姬是純粹生不出來 還是真的被當貢品擺著？10/19 09:34
10F推:所以說是當初答應囉...10/17 23:52
4F推:當時情勢已大致底定 德川說了算 減封家名在 反抗會滅族10/17 23:45
5F→:超過百萬石又怎麼樣 德川可超過四百萬石 獨木難支10/17 23:46
6F→:又沒有名義 毛利身為西軍總大將 連關原都不出兵了10/17 23:47
7F→:他們不是不想反抗 而是不能 也沒有勝算10/17 23:48
8F→:豐臣五大老實力原本就很不平衡 後來前田家也被拔掉10/17 23:49
9F→:關原後 大概整個反抗的氣都洩光了吧...10/17 23:53
13F→:要重新發起反抗 不是件容易的事 毛利家的家風加上輝元10/18 00:01
15F→:並沒有積極想爭天下 兩川都投靠東軍 只能接受現實10/18 00:04
16F→:關原戰前一個多月的聯絡、協調、關說 一天被擊潰10/18 00:05
17F→:當時的毛利跟上杉家又有什麼名義跟能耐反抗10/18 00:06
18F→:戰後淀君可是表揚了東軍 你現在反抗 就是逆賊10/18 00:06
19F→:德川是以豐臣的名義去進行賞罰的 關鍵是在這一點10/18 00:07
20F→:當然也是有些小大名是關起城門繼續反抗的10/18 00:08
21F→:毛利上衫在風口上 如果當時不認罪又反抗 很可能整個被拔10/18 00:10
22F→:其實當時毛利已經謝罪 還是差一點完全被改易 是吉川廣家10/18 00:13
23F→:求情 才仍保有部份領地 情勢有多嚴峻應該不難想像10/18 00:13
2F推:這部應該是自婊人 說得跟做的不一樣10/17 23:58
3F→:明明就是為了益 硬要說成義 很不坦率 想要當戰國清流10/17 23:59
4F→:結果只是給自己難堪而已(被編劇婊)10/18 00:00
9F推:這部編劇很失敗10/17 23:43
12F→:當時是感覺會演變成應仁之亂的情勢 大家都想慢慢來咧10/17 23:54
13F→:對於鞏固、擴增領土比較趣 何況敵人不是只有狸貓而已10/17 23:55