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[新聞] 陳建仁:變異株傳染力大幅提升唯有全民打

[ nCoV2019 ]188 留言, 推噓總分: +80

作者: ptt8592 - 發表於 2021/05/22 12:29(2年前)

145^F推birdy590: 疫苗的功能不是消滅病毒同樣是救醫院115.43.53.157 05/22 13:55

[Live] 05/21 14:00 CECC COVID-19記者會

[ nCoV2019 ]1439 留言, 推噓總分: +556

作者: imprezasti - 發表於 2021/05/21 13:45(2年前)

185^F推birdy590: 至少男女比例比較正常了..萬華還沒清完115.43.53.157 05/21 14:12

[整理] 羅副講的偽陽性問題

[ nCoV2019 ]481 留言, 推噓總分: +102

作者: antonis - 發表於 2021/05/20 15:14(2年前)

14^F推birdy590: 標準答案: 一次驗不準你不會驗第二次嗎115.43.53.157 05/20 15:19

18^F→birdy590: 一個偽陰性放回家多危險 blah blah blah115.43.53.157 05/20 15:20

81^F推birdy590: 因為很多人數學都不及格115.43.53.157 05/20 15:42

107^F推birdy590: 因為祖國驗過全城百萬人我們就要學~115.43.53.157 05/20 15:56

159^F推birdy590: 現在這狀況偽陽性還可以接受~115.43.53.157 05/20 16:11

160^F→birdy590: 但是千萬別推方艙他X兩者支持者同一群115.43.53.157 05/20 16:11

161^F→birdy590: 偽陽性驗出來送方艙~ 真是好棒棒115.43.53.157 05/20 16:12

162^F→birdy590: 連複驗的工都省了115.43.53.157 05/20 16:12

163^F→birdy590: 這樣做可以直接假設以後不會再有偽陽性~115.43.53.157 05/20 16:12

164^F→birdy590: 強國: 幹嘛重複篩檢? 我們把它變真陽性115.43.53.157 05/20 16:12

190^F→birdy590: 對岸的方艙就是收這種人啊確診輕症以下115.43.53.157 05/20 16:19

193^F→birdy590: 確診就送進去那確實是連驗第二次都省了115.43.53.157 05/20 16:20

200^F→birdy590: 所以看的出來同時喊普篩+方艙有多可笑嗎115.43.53.157 05/20 16:20

233^F→birdy590: jhay 講的這種方式只適用社會完全失控115.43.53.157 05/20 16:28

235^F→birdy590: 可以觀察沒啥疫情卻想廣設篩檢站的縣市115.43.53.157 05/20 16:28

237^F→birdy590: 篩出來數據太難看是很難維持下去的115.43.53.157 05/20 16:29

240^F→birdy590: 現在的狀況是盛行區還篩不夠太慢115.43.53.157 05/20 16:29

242^F→birdy590: 然後有些看起來沒啥必要的地方一直想跟115.43.53.157 05/20 16:29

244^F→birdy590: 幾兩天不是還有萬華媽媽桑抽不到號碼牌115.43.53.157 05/20 16:30

246^F→birdy590: 最後安排去醫院驗的我記得有這個報導115.43.53.157 05/20 16:30

247^F→birdy590: 有資源也是優先投在這種回報率高的地方115.43.53.157 05/20 16:30

255^F推birdy590: 都一個星期了直接相關的還沒篩完這太慢115.43.53.157 05/20 16:32

260^F→birdy590: 樓上眼睛應該不太好~ 醫院都爆了115.43.53.157 05/20 16:33

261^F→birdy590: 還要靠大量篩檢才知道雙北是熱區115.43.53.157 05/20 16:33

262^F→birdy590: 因果關係反了就是知道是熱區才會增開115.43.53.157 05/20 16:33

264^F→birdy590: 然後發現新北鄰近區域也都很嚴重再增開115.43.53.157 05/20 16:34

272^F→birdy590: 各地醫院現在應該都很小心不要再幻想115.43.53.157 05/20 16:35

274^F→birdy590: 會有一大堆無症狀患者到處跑了115.43.53.157 05/20 16:35

277^F→birdy590: ... 眼睛差到一定要醫院爆掉才會發現?115.43.53.157 05/20 16:36

291^F→birdy590: 不同階段有不同方式盲目的學沒什麼意義115.43.53.157 05/20 16:41

295^F→birdy590: 如果你認為自己有風險就加強自主管理115.43.53.157 05/20 16:43

296^F→birdy590: 自己和別人隔離開來也是一種辦法115.43.53.157 05/20 16:43

297^F→birdy590: 只是為了知道自己有沒有確診跑去快篩115.43.53.157 05/20 16:44

298^F→birdy590: 其實是一件沒啥意義的事115.43.53.157 05/20 16:44

299^F→birdy590: 我猜 jhay 講那個每幾天測一次是想維持115.43.53.157 05/20 16:44

300^F→birdy590: 正常的生活方式完全不受影響115.43.53.157 05/20 16:44

301^F→birdy590: 但在流行區這本身就是高風險的事115.43.53.157 05/20 16:45

304^F→birdy590: 而且沒意義啊說不定出門轉個彎就中了115.43.53.157 05/20 16:45

305^F→birdy590: 所有人都提高隔離程度還比較有效115.43.53.157 05/20 16:46

306^F→birdy590: 這在國外不可能但在台灣有可能115.43.53.157 05/20 16:46

355^F→birdy590: 偽陽,我們就把它變成真陽~115.43.53.157 05/20 17:27

356^F→birdy590: 可以理解為什麼驗百萬千萬人都沒有偽陽115.43.53.157 05/20 17:27

377^F→birdy590: 偽陰哪裡恐怖? 檢驗陰性不代表沒事115.43.53.157 05/20 18:59

378^F→birdy590: 這個只能再三交代檢驗並不能保證安全115.43.53.157 05/20 18:59

379^F→birdy590: 去驗就代表不安全至少自主管理十四天115.43.53.157 05/20 19:01

390^F→birdy590: 以台灣的現狀某方面來講是對的115.43.53.157 05/20 20:19

391^F→birdy590: 現在去篩檢站的都應該視為高風險族群115.43.53.157 05/20 20:19

392^F→birdy590: 既然高風險就沒有放鬆的本錢115.43.53.157 05/20 20:19

393^F→birdy590: 最起碼也要自主管理而且是加強的那種115.43.53.157 05/20 20:20

396^F→birdy590: 這種快篩根本沒意義如果這樣做有效115.43.53.157 05/20 20:34

397^F→birdy590: 哪裡還會有病毒傳給你?115.43.53.157 05/20 20:34

429^F推birdy590: 現在這陽性率還有繼續做下去的價值啊~115.43.53.157 05/20 22:33

430^F→birdy590: 還撈的到魚就加減撈等撈不到再來考慮115.43.53.157 05/20 22:35

431^F→birdy590: 後面跟著增開這些縣市才是觀察的重點115.43.53.157 05/20 22:35

434^F→birdy590: 現在單日檢驗量沒這麼大, 後面還擋 PCR115.43.53.157 05/20 22:41

435^F→birdy590: 絕對的數量很重要啊像結果可疑的個案115.43.53.157 05/20 22:42

436^F→birdy590: 還不是送到昆陽確認再確認? 沒差這幾天115.43.53.157 05/20 22:42

437^F→birdy590: 沒差這幾次115.43.53.157 05/20 22:42

438^F→birdy590: 但如果大規模實施那就是完全不同的故事115.43.53.157 05/20 22:43

445^F→birdy590: 繼續開划不划的來現場的人自然會判斷~115.43.53.157 05/20 23:16

446^F→birdy590: 這兩天的狀況是還要考慮開其它地方115.43.53.157 05/20 23:17

451^F→birdy590: 現在分子很小啊分子小就沒差那幾次115.43.53.157 05/20 23:37

452^F→birdy590: 把量放大100倍 1000倍就變很可怕了115.43.53.157 05/20 23:37

453^F→birdy590: 這上面不是講過了? 所以不建議"大規模"115.43.53.157 05/20 23:38

456^F→birdy590: 不用"停止" 依現在狀況"不擴大"就夠了115.43.53.157 05/20 23:48

457^F→birdy590: 有資源還可以考慮開新戰場115.43.53.157 05/20 23:49

466^F→birdy590: 是不過即使如此現在的 PCR 數量也算大115.43.53.157 05/21 01:28

467^F→birdy590: 數據裡已經看的出來要 queue 超過一天115.43.53.157 05/21 01:29

468^F→birdy590: 才排的到檢驗... 數量級增加就不可行了115.43.53.157 05/21 01:29

469^F→birdy590: 這也是不應該繼續擴大的指標115.43.53.157 05/21 01:30

470^F→birdy590: (這裡的擴大指對單一區域做大規模篩檢)115.43.53.157 05/21 01:30

471^F→birdy590: 至少目前還看不到必要性做了一定賠115.43.53.157 05/21 01:31

472^F→birdy590: 資源有限配置一定很重要115.43.53.157 05/21 01:31

[新聞] 戶外勞工脫口罩吃飯陳時中：不適合開罰

[ nCoV2019 ]114 留言, 推噓總分: +38

作者: haehae311444 - 發表於 2021/05/20 18:00(2年前)

108^F→birdy590: 定是為了保護人民不應該是死的115.43.53.157 05/21 01:27

109^F→birdy590: 像這類問題如果找不到合法解就是應該改115.43.53.157 05/21 01:28

[新聞] 侯友宜：防疫旅館絕對夠盼假消息莫以訛

[ nCoV2019 ]390 留言, 推噓總分: +115

作者: djdjdj - 發表於 2021/05/20 22:36(2年前)

24^F推birdy590: 現在的數量意義沒很大吧有需要再去喬115.43.53.157 05/20 22:55

25^F→birdy590: 現在能談的旅館應該比之前多非常多115.43.53.157 05/20 22:55

49^F→birdy590: 你相信新北的房間數那麼少嗎?115.43.53.157 05/20 23:10

53^F→birdy590: 不能這樣講疫情沒起來國旅很重賺的115.43.53.157 05/20 23:11

54^F→birdy590: 國旅很好賺的地點好的飯店每個假日都賺115.43.53.157 05/20 23:11

57^F→birdy590: 這種環境誰要做防疫旅館?115.43.53.157 05/20 23:11

58^F→birdy590: 到 5/1 連假北部飯店都還滿的115.43.53.157 05/20 23:12

63^F→birdy590: 其實不是強制徵收而是有意願的報名115.43.53.157 05/20 23:13

65^F→birdy590: 現在這種狀況一兩個月內旅館大概都空的115.43.53.157 05/20 23:13

66^F→birdy590: 不過承平時期的調查確實不足就算不能談115.43.53.157 05/20 23:14

67^F→birdy590: 至少應該整理出哪些地方很快可以調用115.43.53.157 05/20 23:14

68^F→birdy590: 真的要用才來檢查能不能用很浪費時間115.43.53.157 05/20 23:15

72^F→birdy590: 啥都不知道條件怎麼談? 這約大概沒法簽115.43.53.157 05/20 23:17

80^F→birdy590: 東橫INN是之前就把鄰近的店先關一半了115.43.53.157 05/20 23:18

81^F→birdy590: 有人願意租至少比關門好115.43.53.157 05/20 23:19

96^F→birdy590: 單人房要住兩星期不能出來真的蠻不舒服115.43.53.157 05/20 23:35

100^F→birdy590: 但再怎麼說也比方艙好吧~115.43.53.157 05/20 23:36

[新聞] 桃園新增17例本土個案足跡涉及健保署北

[ nCoV2019 ]22 留言, 推噓總分: +14

作者: ptt8592 - 發表於 2021/05/20 17:48(2年前)

17^F推birdy590: 吃著火鍋唱著歌~115.43.53.157 05/20 20:17

[新聞]新北擬建隔離收治中心蘆洲空大距民宅近已

[ nCoV2019 ]362 留言, 推噓總分: +87

作者: win8719 - 發表於 2021/05/20 17:39(2年前)

130^F推birdy590: 移動式負壓病房先蓋啦房間找旅館一定有115.43.53.157 05/20 18:25

132^F→birdy590: 還在想方艙是腦子有哪裡不好使嗎115.43.53.157 05/20 18:26

190^F→birdy590: 送外縣市也沒啥不行韓國也這樣幹115.43.53.157 05/20 19:02

191^F→birdy590: 大型訓練所不會開在市中心反正是要隔離115.43.53.157 05/20 19:02

193^F→birdy590: 半個台灣也沒多遠吧像東京/首爾開一個115.43.53.157 05/20 19:03

194^F→birdy590: 小時可能還離開市區咧115.43.53.157 05/20 19:03

195^F→birdy590: 可能還沒115.43.53.157 05/20 19:03

236^F推birdy590: 現在旅館一定好談, 反正國旅是趴下的115.43.53.157 05/20 19:39

237^F→birdy590: 條件許可的整棟租給政府多少收點補貼115.43.53.157 05/20 19:39

261^F→birdy590: 之前防疫旅館怎麼談現在就怎麼談差不多115.43.53.157 05/20 19:48

263^F→birdy590: 之前不肯接的現在態度很有機會改變115.43.53.157 05/20 19:48

277^F推birdy590: 對有權這樣做的人也是最後手段不會亂用115.43.53.157 05/20 19:58

[新聞] 新增295例COVID-19確診，286例本土、9例境外移入

[ nCoV2019 ]690 留言, 推噓總分: +259

作者: laptic - 發表於 2021/05/20 14:08(2年前)

623^F→birdy590: 偏僻其實還好不應該搭大眾運輸工具去115.43.53.157 05/20 16:41

641^F→birdy590: 附近沒住宅的話其實沒啥好怕的115.43.53.157 05/20 16:47

643^F→birdy590: 總不會有人大老遠走路去吧115.43.53.157 05/20 16:47

653^F推birdy590: 只要不是在主要動線上居民能避開就無妨115.43.53.157 05/20 16:50

654^F→birdy590: 看到那邊開篩檢站總不會主動跑去逛吧115.43.53.157 05/20 16:50

667^F→birdy590: 只是經過不會怎麼樣啊路邊真沒啥好怕的115.43.53.157 05/20 16:59

676^F推birdy590: 宜蘭這個圖跟指揮中心用的格式差不多115.43.53.157 05/20 17:34

677^F→birdy590: 粗紅圈是啥意思看不懂旁邊沒圖例115.43.53.157 05/20 17:35

[新聞] 台大醫爆院內感染工務室10人確診全院將

[ nCoV2019 ]281 留言, 推噓總分: +111

作者: call5566me - 發表於 2021/05/19 10:05(3年前)

158^F推birdy590: 這個真的要小心人數看起來蠻多的115.43.53.157 05/19 10:46

161^F→birdy590: 而且是會在院內活動也有可能接觸任何人115.43.53.157 05/19 10:47

163^F→birdy590: 我在等下午兩點那個數字~ 十一點出頭115.43.53.157 05/19 10:47

166^F→birdy590: 應該有人會通靈出來115.43.53.157 05/19 10:47

193^F→birdy590: 工務人員去過的地方會立刻消毒嗎?115.43.53.157 05/19 11:00

194^F→birdy590: 這個比較怕環境污染吧115.43.53.157 05/19 11:00

208^F→birdy590: 現在其實沒必要調查那麼細有接觸史就夠115.43.53.157 05/19 11:07

209^F→birdy590: 萬華那一帶病毒已經跑到街上是確認過的115.43.53.157 05/19 11:08

211^F→birdy590: 指標案例只是指第一個確診的吧115.43.53.157 05/19 11:08

212^F→birdy590: 說不定他是被傳染的~115.43.53.157 05/19 11:08

222^F→birdy590: 有聽說住萬華被要求居家上班的~115.43.53.157 05/19 11:12

223^F→birdy590: 老闆會怕其實是好事不怕一萬只怕萬一115.43.53.157 05/19 11:13

278^F→birdy590: 疫情結束後一個月內就復活了~115.43.53.157 05/20 09:42

279^F→birdy590: 人類很難消滅黃賭毒尤其是黃~115.43.53.157 05/20 09:42

[新聞] 高市6歲女童偽陽性排除確診少一例本土案

[ nCoV2019 ]202 留言, 推噓總分: +67

作者: ptt8592 - 發表於 2021/05/19 18:04(3年前)

199^F→birdy590: 這就日本路線但要這樣搞就不能有方艙115.43.53.157 05/20 09:40

200^F→birdy590: 而且現在並沒有流行到那種程度115.43.53.157 05/20 09:40

201^F→birdy590: 可以觀察三級第二週開始的篩檢站數據115.43.53.157 05/20 09:41

202^F→birdy590: 因為第一週全部都在清之前毒窟散出來的115.43.53.157 05/20 09:41

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