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28F推:馬騰進京有兩種說法/紀錄,另一種是曹操主動請馬騰解散部09/20 13:35
29F→:隊,馬騰說好後又再猶豫,曹營就故意派出大陣仗歡迎馬爺爺09/20 13:37
32F→:馬騰要面子不好拒絕只好乖乖進京,曹操再把部隊轉給馬超09/20 13:38
33F→:應該還沒那麼老,大陣仗歡迎馬老爹才對09/20 13:39
57F推:47歲可不是就死,請注意當時的人壽命跟現在是天差地遠09/20 17:22
59F推:Ex.曹純活不到41,魯肅46,呂蒙41,法正45,曹丕40,李典3609/20 17:37
62F推:馬超有後代啊,兒子繼承女兒嫁給劉理,他是要拜託照顧馬岱09/20 17:45
63F→:馬岱是他除了自己兒女以外同宗唯一的親人09/20 17:46
7F推:沒辦法,那一段的歷史本身就有曹營灌水的成分,以多報少09/19 21:29
8F→:把自己寫少對方維持大軍,那麼獲勝原因就只能說對方很菜了09/19 21:30
6F→:馬超確實比較狠/有決斷,兩人中是他先決定放棄人質的09/19 11:52
7F→:不過追根究柢還是老曹出包而逼反他們,不是韓馬主動造反09/19 11:53
136F推:是益德沒錯,翼德是很搞笑的誤用09/19 20:40
137F推:應該也不是羅貫中的錯,翼德出自宋元說書人講故事時的誤傳09/19 20:46
138F推:但是羅寫三國演義時並沒有跟著誤用,而是照史書訂正為益德09/19 20:48
139F→:演義的"翼德"是羅死後約兩百年,有人做修訂版弄錯才出現的09/19 20:51
140F→:正史益德,說書人改翼德,羅貫中改回益德,後人又改成翼德09/19 20:52
142F推:現在我們看的演義是毛宗崗的修訂版,他在修訂時沿用了翼德09/19 20:56
143F→:可能當時翼德已經大流行XD,所以他只好將錯就錯繼續用09/19 20:57
1F→:沒有捨棄,留輜重擾亂文醜隊伍是兩者共通的劇情09/16 02:14
2F→:只是剛好遇到演義有照正史的部分09/16 02:15
5F→:滿寵那是兩邊不想得罪的牆頭草作法,楊是曹操不爽弄下獄的09/15 10:51
6F→:他先打一頓迎合曹操,再替楊講話脫罪兩邊都不得罪09/15 10:52
7F→:對應設宴誘殺可以看出他的人品不算很好,不過亂世很實用09/15 10:54
8F→:孫權有北伐,只是都被打臉,然後最好的時機他又短視近利背09/15 10:55
9F→:刺同伴,之後發現不妙對魏裝孬,剛好曹丕腦殘讓他矇到沒事09/15 10:57
38F→:他不用嚴刑拷打也可以達到目的,說服曹操的重點是在殺楊彪09/15 11:54
39F→:會影響名聲而已,只要先關幾天再講同樣的話就可以了09/15 11:56
75F→:陳登沒有不離不棄,但是他對劉備一直很推崇(仕魏後也一樣)09/15 21:57
14F推:訓練跟紀律,會無法克服是訓練度只有40造成的XD09/13 07:50
34F→:歷史雷其實可以無視啊,曹操兵力古早就被質疑是故意寫低了09/12 14:12
35F→:河蟹曹操受過袁紹多次幫助,兵力以多報少都是為了造神啊09/12 14:13
13F→:投靠袁紹部分應該是河蟹掉了,曹操從餓到吃人肉到不久後突09/08 13:08
14F→:然大舉反攻,沒地盤沒資源怎麼翻身是個迷糊帳09/08 13:08
15F→:袁紹請陳琳寫的檄文也有提到袁紹發兵助曹操打呂布09/08 13:11
16F→:曹操事後跟陳琳見面也只說不該罵老爸,沒有否認援軍這件事09/08 13:12
17F→:開始屯田到有用不是馬上的事,而且其他記載也有提到袁紹直09/08 13:27
18F→:接發兵五千助戰,間接阻擋對方援軍助呂布09/08 13:28
21F→:元年冬天餓到吃人肉+解散部隊減少人口,春天反能大舉反攻09/08 13:35
22F→:194曹操回救兗州交戰不利+飢荒雙方停戰,曹軍餓到解散新兵09/08 13:48
23F→:只剩三縣地盤資源有限下隔春卻能開始反攻,一年內打跑呂布09/08 13:49
24F推:應該沒有舉家投靠,但是有請袁老大出兵出糧幫他搶地盤09/08 14:07
27F推:因為演義啊,基本上演義裡描寫多的就會比較紅09/06 11:55
55F推:荀攸不是荀彧姪子喔,沒到那麼親,同一家人倒是真的09/06 20:31
56F→:荀攸的高祖父(爺爺的爺爺)是荀彧的曾祖父,所以是從子09/06 20:33
57F→:平常應該很熟,刺董失敗自殺的何顒就是說荀彧是王佐之才那09/06 20:40
59F推:一位,自殺後屍體草草處理後來還是荀彧幫他遷葬的09/06 20:47
69F推:我是說何顒喔,也是個沒作家在用的早死人才09/07 04:22
70F→:他最早看出曹操荀彧才能,袁紹看上他,跟荀攸荀爽也有交情09/07 04:26
71F→:能撐到董卓掛掉一定有前途,結果太早自殺09/07 04:28