Fw: [外絮] ISOLATION SCORING

看板Rockets作者 (慾望深厚的老衲)時間12年前 (2013/12/16 20:37), 編輯推噓13(13010)
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※ [本文轉錄自 Jeremy_Lin 看板 #1IhlFBjf ] 作者: ghghfftjack (慾望深厚的老衲) 看板: Jeremy_Lin 標題: [外絮] ISOLATION SCORING 時間: Mon Dec 16 20:36:23 2013 http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=248305 火箭論壇的分析 ISOLATION SCORING, Statistical analysis of LIN vs HARDEN and the top 50 scorers ISO rankings every corner of the internet has an opinion on ISO ball it seems. Who is efficient at this particular shot and who is really really bad and should be getting ridiculed for their continued shot selection which is hurting their team. First lets look at the battle between Harden vs Lin James Harden VS Jeremy Lin Both terrific offensive players who have shown to be proven scoeres when required, the debate between Harden and Lin in relation to isolations is intriguing. so who is statistically better? http://ppt.cc/ByBQ (harden's data is in the white rows shown before Lins data in the grey rows) Thats right, they are exactly the same on PPP (points per possession), interesting after the hot start got off to at the start of the year Lin got off to and the sluggish start James got off to, that the data still shows both players converting at .97 PPS ranking them 17th in the league in qualified players. Although harden has almost 4x the amount of shots and only converting on 36.6% of shots for Harden to still be converting at a rate of .97 is exceptional when compared to other notable players in the league. 簡單說 在ISO的表現上 Lin跟 Harden目前為止幾乎是同樣出色 聯盟球員中同樣排名17 http://ppt.cc/3Rsa also the table above shows Houston as a whole performance in the isolations. We rank middle of the pack at 16th and have a PPP of .81 which are both below out 2 primary ball handlers. 然而火箭整體在ISO的表現只能算是中下 排名16 (總體攻擊表現倒是排名第3) How the Top 50 scorers perform in isolations. note (lin does not qualify for this list) Im sure before you look at the graph i created you already have some wild guesses, for instance "rudy gay will be inefficient" and from creating this their wasnt really that many concerns. The biggest surprise to me was Lebron only boasting a PPP on isolations of .85 which compared to the average for percentage of isolations he takes is below average. http://ppt.cc/PQL7 - Harden is above the average for the amount of shots taken. note even though Parsons takes only 7.4% of his shots been isolations but converts them at a terrible .54 PPP. Perhaps its the small sample size and will be interesting to watch his stats. - also secondly although dwight qualifies for the top 50 scorers he has only taken 2 isolation plays for the year which equates to .5% of his total shots and has not made one. - if you would like to know where Lin would be on this graph then he would be positioned just to the left of Dragic which like James Harden is above league average - Rudy gay is Rudy Gay, he takes the most ISO's for the amount of shots he takes and is terribly inefficient - Eric Bledsoe is ranked no.1 by synergy sports at 1.32 PPP as Wesley Matthews 1.5PPP has not taken enough attempts. 高富帥在ISO上的表現非常差,PPP只有.54 (儘管有可能有小樣本偏差) (ISO在他的攻擊手段中只佔了7.4%) 上面那張圖是前五十得分手的圖 Lin的分數跟出手次數都很低所以不會上榜 如果想知道他在上面那張ISO圖會排名哪裡 根據出手數量還有效率會在Gragic左邊 Rudy Gay ISO最多 但是效率頗差 目前ISO最強的是太陽的Bledsoe 1.5PPP領先群雄 (難怪太陽今年這麼強 一個水準以上的抓雞跟第一名的布雷獸...) Conclusion Whether it frustrates you or not, just think about it, it could be a whole lot worse if we didn't have efficient scores like Harden and Lin. Also note that Harden has improved his isolation scoring from .93 PPP to this years .97 even with his slow start to the year. Things are looking up Clutchfans, we are coming 結論 如果沒有哈登跟Lin這兩個高效單打得分手的話會頗慘的 (好像廢話 可是其他不重要懶得翻) ===================================== 重點節錄 1.哈登跟Lin兩個人的ISO很強 不過哈登的ISO比重非常大 Lin 2.火箭整體ISO的表現上不怎樣 只有聯盟中游水準 (上面那分析不曉得有沒有扣掉Lin跟哈登 沒有的話那頗慘的...雖然也只限ISO的部分) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 134.208.32.48 ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: ghghfftjack (134.208.32.48), 時間: 12/16/2013 20:37:33

12/16 20:53, , 1F
CP25這部分有這麼差嗎?... 至於LIN不是要她轉射手為何會慘
12/16 20:53, 1F

12/16 21:16, , 2F
CP25的ISO本來就普普吧 感覺也很難練起來
12/16 21:16, 2F

12/16 21:16, , 3F
給一樓, 頗慘指的是哈林以外的其他人頗慘 XD
12/16 21:16, 3F

12/16 21:19, , 4F
CP25連身材打點都很不穩...
12/16 21:19, 4F

12/16 21:30, , 5F
CP25很吃體系 大部分是空手跑位
12/16 21:30, 5F

12/16 21:31, , 6F
不過火箭已經不打算把Lin放在戰術體系內了 還是敢快交
12/16 21:31, 6F

12/16 21:31, , 7F
易掉吧 這樣對雙方都好
12/16 21:31, 7F

12/16 22:16, , 8F
我還蠻喜歡看CP25那種超無言的假..假動作 之後左搖右晃
12/16 22:16, 8F

12/16 22:17, , 9F
大跨步(最近加了歐洲步)往籃框攻擊 怎麼擺怎麼進
12/16 22:17, 9F

12/16 22:18, , 10F
林本季進攻上還是持球切入為主
12/16 22:18, 10F

12/16 22:19, , 11F
反正現在莫雷也沒辦法挑三減四了 不快點交易 下一季的大約
12/16 22:19, 11F

12/16 22:19, , 12F
就愈難擺脫
12/16 22:19, 12F

12/16 22:20, , 13F
好奇問一下 像鬍子那樣切入買犯也會算在ISO上嗎?
12/16 22:20, 13F

12/16 23:02, , 14F
PB跟小AB才是火箭iso第二順位.......
12/16 23:02, 14F

12/16 23:33, , 15F
CP上籃就是跌跌撞撞的 奇怪的是就是會進XDD
12/16 23:33, 15F

12/16 23:39, , 16F
gunng 沒經過掩護的話就會
12/16 23:39, 16F

12/17 00:14, , 17F
讓哈登單打取分沒關係、但請學勇士或小牛為哈登設計掩護
12/17 00:14, 17F

12/17 00:25, , 18F
掩護其實很多 但是教練組已經明講不會打set play了
12/17 00:25, 18F

12/17 00:29, , 19F
嗯 謝謝解釋
12/17 00:29, 19F

12/17 00:41, , 20F
CP25都跑動後攻擊,很少ISO阿.
12/17 00:41, 20F

12/17 01:03, , 21F
掩護基本就兩個看情況可能會有三個 算不少了
12/17 01:03, 21F

12/17 09:18, , 22F
慘了不是有人說Lin iso比率很高嗎LOL
12/17 09:18, 22F

12/17 09:34, , 23F
請問樓上誰講的?
12/17 09:34, 23F
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