Re: [新聞] 詹皇別沮喪！美醫學專家分析：心傷大於踝傷
※ 引述《XperiaZ6C (索尼)》之銘言：
: 詹皇別沮喪！美醫學專家分析：心傷大於踝傷
: 梁偉銘／綜合報導
看到這位記者，我就想查證他的新聞。
: 針對詹姆斯（LeBron James）右踝受傷1個多月復出，自稱「不可能再恢復到100%」的悲情
: 說法，美國知名運動醫學專家舒特爾（Brian Sutterer）同時也是當紅Youtuber，特地製作
: 5分鐘影音，詳細解說詹皇其實「心傷」大於踝傷，還安撫廣大球迷，這次「湖人一哥」所
: 受的傷，並不致成為職業生涯轉折點。
給大家水管的連結: https://youtu.be/NCVXnYBbId8
: 「我不知道詹皇為何會說出這麼洩氣的話，但以現代醫療技術，他的小傷絕對能夠完全治療
: 康復。」舒特爾還就心理層面剖析，或許詹皇職業生涯18季以來，頭一次經歷這麼長的40天
: 休兵期， 臨場心態調整不及，輸球後才會如此沮喪，「我希望他積極一點，應該建立起自
: 信心，保證能恢復到受傷前狀態。」
我沒辦法打逐字稿，所以我是直接下載字幕檔，所以段落標點符號會怪怪的。
然後太長，我就大概翻。
先講重點，從頭到尾，Sutterer從沒說過高位踝傷是小傷，他還說這比低位踝傷嚴重。
然後"臨場心態調整不及"？有沒有人幫忙查一下，臨場心態的英文是啥？
然後，這位記者還直接用引號，寫成是Sutterer說，「我希望他積極一點，應該建立起自
信心，保證能恢復到受傷前狀態。」
沒有喔~~從頭到尾Sutterer沒這樣說，他只說高位踝傷，他認為有decent chance可以恢
復，而且他是說LBJ是個頂尖運動員，會做出適當改變，仍舊可以在場上有表現。
梁記者直接把話塞進去，這太扯了。
上次是直接抄港媒農場新聞，"想約凡妮莎先問過我拳頭！科比硬漢兄弟阿泰嗆聲"
從頭到尾就沒有這件事 #1Uxj6WDy (NBA)
這次又來把沒有的話直接說成是Sutterer講的，真的受不了。
這位記者兩次了喔~~按照版規，應該要禁了，希望現任版主或者之後接手的版主可以處理
一下。
以下是逐字稿，讓大家參考。
This is it welcome back everybody i'm dr brian suter and this is your number
one source for learning about the unique medical side of the world of sports.
(這邊是開場白，我就不翻了)。
After the lakers lost to the kings last night lebron had this to say in his
post-game interview, i knew i would you know getting back to 100 it's
impossible. I don't think I'll ever get back 100 of my career. I'm really
surprised to hear lebron say this and i want to just go over some of my
thoughts.
(湖人輸給國王後，LBJ賽後訪問說到他不可能恢復到100%. Sutterer說他很驚訝LBJ會這樣
說，他想分享一下他的想法。)
When i hear this to me there's two ways to interpret this either number one,
lebron doesn't think that he'll ever be 100 healed from his high ankle sprain
or; number two he doesn't think he'll ever get back to the level of playing
performance that he had before the sprain either way.
(LBJ這樣說，他有兩種解讀，一種是LBK沒辦法從高位踝傷完全恢復，另外一種是他沒有辦
法回復到受傷前打球的等級。)
This thinking comes across as a little bit extreme to me we have to remember
this is the first big injury that lebrons had to go through during his
career.
(這對Sutterer來說有點極端，首先大家要知道這是LBJ第一次受這樣大的傷。)
“i was more stressful than i've ever been”. It's the first time he's had to
deal with rehab and going through an absence like this. Now i would hope that
lebron's mindset here is more so that he won't return to the playing level
that he was at before his injury rather than he doesn't think the injury will
ever heal. There's no logical reason for me to think that lebron has this
mindset that he's never going to get back to 100. In terms of healing from
this injury yeah high ankle sprains are more severe than low ankle sprains
and result in a longer time mist. But this isn't something like an achilles
rupture or an acl tear or a major surgery that's drastically altered his body
in some significant way that would be a huge blow to your confidence on the
court if you're thinking that your injury is never going to 100 recover.
(LBJ: 我那時比我以前都還要有壓力。LBJ第一次得要像這次要復健跟沒打球，所以聽起來
LBJ比較像是說他沒辦法回到以前那樣子打球的程度，而不是傷沒辦法好。這對Sutterer來
說很沒有道理，高位踝傷勢比低位踝傷嚴重，需要比較長的時間。但是那不是阿基里斯腱
斷或是半月軟骨傷，或者大手術，那些會劇烈改變身體的狀況。會對於在場上的自信心有
重大影響。)
With any ankle injury there's risks of post-traumatic arthritis, if that
ligament that's connecting the fibula and the tibia together heals in a bit
of an elongated position or a stretched position you could have some a little
bit of instability in the ankle going forward but there's nothing about this
injury that made me think yeah there's a decent chance that it won't 100
heal.
(但是因為踝傷然後沒辦法百分百恢復，或許會有創傷後關節炎的風險，或者腓骨脛骨旁邊
韌帶恢復中會有些拉扯，導致踝關節會有些不穩定，但是Sutterer認為很有機會可以100%
恢復的。)
So then if we look at these comments through the lens of he'll never be at
the playing performance he was before the injury, it makes a little bit more
sense but still given lebron's track record, i find a little bit extreme. If
we look at this timeline of an athlete's career, put really whatever you want
on this vertical axis in terms of a surrogate form marker of athletic ability
or their skill in general your average athlete is going to have an increase
in their skill level over time. As they get further along in their career,
eventually things are going to plateau a little bit and then they're going to
fall off towards the end of their career. If you're an athlete who's going
along pretty well and you suffer a sudden major injury, maybe your drop off
is a little bit more sharp. But this natural decline that we see as a person
ages is not something that you're like at fault for or that you can just
suddenly reverse.
(所以若是LBJ指的是沒辦法回到像以前那樣打球的程度，那就比較可以理解了。不過看LBJ
過往的紀錄，對Sutterer來說還是有點過頭。把運動員的生涯表現/技巧按照生涯年紀畫
成圖，一開始隨著年紀增加會穩定上升，最後達到巔峰穩定，然後生涯末端開始下降。若
是有大傷，會下降的快一點，但是自然的衰老導致的衰退是沒有辦法就直接逆轉的。)
In general, I think of injuries as having a bigger impact if they occur when
you're in this downslope of your natural athletic decline where maybe now you
drop down a little bit and then continue the rest of that descent. But think
of all the players that we've seen have major injuries earlier in the career
that really have gone on to still be pretty successful. Paul george broke his
leg and is still playing at a high level, Kevin durant came back from an
Achilles rupture and is still playing at a high level. So just having an injury
in and of itself doesn't always set you down this like career trajectory where
you're never going to get back to the way you were playing before.
(Sutterer認為受傷是在生涯往下走的時候會有比較大的影響。但是看看那些有受大傷的
球員，像是PG跟KD，他們仍舊有很好的表現，所以受傷不見得就沒有辦法回復到原本打球
的程度。)
Lebron still seems to be at this peak of his athletic ability and certainly not
on any sort of a downswing. Certainly if we look at his minutes per game over
his career they're starting to decline which is expected as somebody ages. But
his points per game have gone up and seem to be holding steady, his rebounds
per game are trending up, his overall net rating is trending in an upwards
direction, defensive rating is holding steady if not trending up a bit.
Offensive rating is certainly going up his three point attempts per game is
going up assists per game is going up.
(LBJ還在顛峰狀態，沒有下降的樣子，看他平均上場時間有點下降，跟任何人年紀大之後
都會這樣。但是得分依舊穩定，籃板，Net Rating，防守也是，攻擊也是，三分球出手跟
助攻都是往上的。)
I mean you get the general trend with what we're seeing through lebron's career
right now, a lot of what's hard to tease out as these athletes age and then
suffer injuries is how much the injury is affecting their game versus just the
way that you naturally adapt your playing style as you age. I think anybody
would agree that lebron has changed his playing style as his career has
progressed to still be an effective player.
(Sutterer認為運動員年紀變大然後受傷，這造成的影響就跟當年紀大後會改變打球的方
式。大家應該同意LBJ一直以來逐漸改變球風，到現在依舊是個有效率的球員。)
So let's listen back one more time to his comments. “i knew i would you know
getting back to 100 it's impossible i don't think i'll ever get back 100 of my
career”. For arguably one of the most durable athletes we've seen when it
comes to health throughout any sport, it's really hard for me to look at this
and say that yeah this ankle sprain is gonna be the end of it he's never gonna
be back the way he was and it's over maybe he feels like it's changed him just
enough that he can't get back to the level he was performing at before. But
lebron's been so good at adapting his game and making changes that i don't
think it's anything that we would necessarily drastically notice on the court
as his career continues you always wonder what it might be that will sort of
start that decline in his performance. But it's hard for me to look at this
high ankle sprain and think that this is it.
(所以Sutterer認為這高位踝傷不會就讓LBJ生涯就此終止，他再也不能像以前一樣。LBJ
對籃球的適應力極高，他會做出適當的改變的。所以，Shutterer認為LBJ在場上的表現還
是會一樣的。)
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