Re: [新聞] NBA》帕波維奇：白人過太爽 要重視黑人
看板NBA作者kikijuice (Last Cigarette)時間6年前 (2018/02/14 10:31)推噓44(62推 18噓 151→)留言231則, 78人參與討論串2/6 (看更多)
※ 引述《poorsin (貧窮正弦波)》之銘言：
: 美國一年一度的「黑人歷史月」(Black History Month)又到了，除了美國以外，英國、
: 加拿大、荷蘭這些曾經買賣黑奴的國家也會每年挑一個月份來反省他們的歷史錯誤。以黑
: 人球員為主力的NBA自然更是大力宣傳。
: 一向關心政治議題的馬刺隊總教練帕波維奇(Gregg Popovich)說：「這聯盟是由很多黑人
: 組成的，紀念黑人月是應該的。我們必須要時時刻刻提醒自己，美國是一個帶有嚴重種族
: 歧視的國家，這是整個國家的罪惡。」
: 這次的黑人月引起包括警察在內的不少人反彈，也令帕波維奇不滿，「我每次都會聽到有
: 人表示不想再談論這個黑白議題，但我們必須正視問題。身為白人，你在美國就擁有巨大
: 的特權，在政治、教育、社交、經濟、法律上享有絕對優勢。」
: 在美國的大學SAT測驗(學術水準測驗考試)，黑人考生可以獲得加分230分，中南美裔可以
: 獲得加分185分，亞裔考生則會被扣50分，這是教育系統對有色人種的補償。退伍軍人也
: 可以獲得加分，說起來只有亞裔比較倒楣。
: 儘管身處共和黨擁有優勢的德州，帕波維奇仍以敢言著稱，他之前也曾表示不排除從政。
: 他在上次美國總統大選獲得25張選票，選民自行在選票寫上帕波維奇的名字然後蓋章(副
: 總統是Tim Duncan)。
: 2018年02月14日 07:54 中時電子報 盧品青
: http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20180214000836-260403
: ------------------------------------
SAT是全國性質的考試 如果直接因為種族差異就在原始分數上面刪改 篤定引起軒然大波
不可能到今天才由中時電子報領先全球報導
實際上的情形是原始總分沒有被更動, 但招生的時候各校會因為彼此需求不同, 用不同的
標準去衡量不同種族之間的分數曲線. 亞裔在學業方面的表現, 以平均值而言, 明顯較其
種族優秀, 所以如果每個學校都只用原始分數當指標, 會嚴重影響其餘種族受到高等教育
的機會均等. 但就常春藤(Ivy League)收學生的標準, 由於他們收的是菁英中的菁英, 用
常理想就知道不可能因為種族而做額外加減.
這篇文章是我用 Asian SAT score deduction為關鍵字搜尋到的第二篇文章
底下附上原文出處, 並僅翻譯重點部分
Los Angeles Times, 2015 Feb. 21 https://goo.gl/nul4XM
In a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into
child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee
launches a PowerPoint presentation.
在Arcadia教育中心的一個沒有窗戶的教室裡, 家長們擠在兒童課桌椅上, 從他們的口袋和
包包中翻出筆以便在待會Ann Lee的報告中做些筆記.
Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines,
the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement
tests to take.
這份報告講的是大學入學招生的一些基本概念：
申請期限, SAT跟ACT這兩種考試的差別和優劣, 以及學生到底要參加多少AP(大學先修課程
)的考試.
註: AP比一般高中的課程還要難, 而學生通過AP考試可以在大學抵免相對應的學分.
Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic — one that many counselors
like her have learned they cannot avoid.
“Let's talk about Asians,” she says.
然後Ann不疾不徐的談到了一個當局很難迴避的燙手話題：亞裔入學的優勢.
Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University
study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using
SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many
extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.
此次報告採用的是普林斯頓大學的一份研究(2004)：
如果僅用原始SAT分數作為基準來篩選學生
種族(包含外表與文化認同)會對大學入學產生多大的影響?
這篇研究裡使用了bonus(加成)的字眼來比喻, 對學校而言, 考生的種族在計分時給了多
大的加成？
African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.
非裔美人加成230分
She points to the second column.
“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”
拉丁民族加成185分
The last column draws gasps.
Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they
had to do that much better to win admission.
身為亞裔美人, 你的成績會以少50分被看待, 意即你必須在考試方面表現的明顯更加
傑出才能入學.
“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into
college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.
亞裔比較難考上大學嗎？他們需要比較高的分數才能錄取嗎？是.
“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?
一位母親以中文嘶聲說道：怎麼可以？
以下原文非常長, 各位自行酌量閱讀
College admission season ignites deep anxieties for Asian American
families, who spend more than any other demographic on education.
At elite universities across the U.S., Asian Americans form a
larger share of the student body than they do of the population as
a whole. And increasingly they have turned against affirmative
action policies that could alter those ratios, and accuse
admissions committees of discriminating against Asian American
applicants.
大學入學對很多亞裔家庭而言造成了很深的焦慮, 因為他們在這方面花的心力遠超過其
他部分. 在美國大多數的菁英大學裡, 亞裔學生佔的比例遠超過亞裔人口在美國總人口
裡的比例. 而他們更團結起來對抗有可能改變現狀的政策, 並指控入學委員會歧視亞裔
考生.
That perspective has pitted them against advocates for diversity:
More college berths for Asian American students mean fewer for
black and Latino students, who are statistically underrepresented
at top universities.
亞裔學生大學錄取率倘若越高，黑人或拉美裔入學的比例就會更低, 而且他們原本在頂
尖大學的比例就很低了
But in the San Gabriel Valley's hyper-competitive ethnic Asian
communities, arguments for diversity can sometimes fall on deaf
ears. For immigrant parents raised in Asia's all-or-nothing test
cultures, a good education is not just a measure of success —
it's a matter of survival. They see academic achievement as a
moral virtue, and families organize their lives around their
child's education, moving to the best school districts and paying
for tutoring and tennis lessons. An acceptance letter from a
prestigious college is often the only acceptable return on an
investment that stretches over decades.
對亞裔家庭而言, 學業上的進展基本上被視為一種核心價值. 很多家庭根本就把他們的
生活圍繞在小孩的教育上. 把小孩送進名校對他們而言是十幾年來唯一被認可的投資
Lee is the co-founder of HS2 Academy, a college prep business that
assumes that racial bias is a fact of college admissions and
counsels students accordingly. At 10 centers across the state, the
academy's counselors teach countermeasures to Asian American
applicants. The goal, Lee says, is to help prospective college
students avoid coming off like another “cookie-cutter Asian.”
“Everyone is in orchestra and plays piano,” Lee says. “Everyone
plays tennis. Everyone wants to be a doctor, and write about
immigrating to America. You can't get in with these cliche
applications.”
中間一大段原本我沒附的現在補上
Like a lot of students at Arcadia High School, Yue Liang plans to
apply to University of California campuses and major in
engineering — or if her mother wins that argument, pre-med. She
excels at math, takes multiple AP courses and volunteers, as does
nearly everyone she knows.
Being of Asian descent, the junior says, is “a disadvantage.”
The problem, she says, is in the numbers.
Asian families flock to the San Gabriel Valley's school districts
because they have some of the highest Academic Performance Index
scores in the state. But with hundreds of top-performing students
at each high school, focusing on a small set of elite
institutions, it's easy to get lost in the crowd.
Of the school's 4,000 students, nearly 3,000 are of Asian descent,
and like Yue are willing to do whatever it takes to gain entrance
to a prestigious university. They will study until they can't
remember how to have fun and stuff their schedules with
extracurriculars. But there's an important part of their college
applications that they can't improve as easily as an SAT score:
their ethnicity.
In the San Gabriel Valley, where aspirationally named tutoring
centers such as Little Harvard and Ivy League cluster within
walking distance of high schools, many of them priced more cheaply
than a baby-sitter, it didn't take long for some centers to
respond to students' and parents' fears of being edged out of a
top school because of some intangible missing quality.
Helping Asian American students, many of whom lead similar lives,
requires the embrace of some stereotypes, says Crystal Zell, HS2's
assistant director of counseling. They are good at math and bad
at writing and aspire to be doctors, engineers or bankers,
according to the cliches. She works with her students to identify
what's unique about them — and most of the time, that's not their
career ambitions or their ethnicity.
“Everyone comes in wanting the same thing,” Zell said. “But
that's because they don't know about anything else.”
If a student wants to be an engineer, she makes sure to show other
options. She sends affluent students to volunteer in poor
neighborhoods. Branch out from tennis, or chess club, or
taekwondo, she tells them. Learn a language other than Chinese.
Avoid writing your essay about your parents' journey to America.
Instead of just handing students a violin or a piano and saying
pick one, Zell says, HS2 offers them a buffet of interests and
hobbies, encouraging students to pick something that excites them.
Lawrence Leonn, 16, is grateful for the help. He doesn't think
race or ethnicity should matter, but he believes it will.
“I don't want to be racist or anything,” Lawrence said. “
Everyone works hard and struggles. But there's this feeling that
it's going to be harder for us.”
Complaints about bias in college admissions have persisted since
at least the 1920s, when a Harvard University president tried to
cap the number of Jewish students. In November, a group called
Students for Fair Admissions filed a suit against Harvard
University for admissions policies that allegedly discriminate
against Asian Americans. The group cited the 2004 Princeton study
and other sources that offer statistics about Asian Americans'
test performance.
1920年代開始就有類似的聲音出現：一個哈佛教務長試圖限制猶太學生的總量
這篇文中引用的Princeton study也在2014年11月的訴訟中被引用, 指稱大學入學政策
歧視亞裔人種.
At the University of Texas at Austin, an affirmative action policy
that allows admissions committees to consider the race of
prospective applicants has been argued all the way to the Supreme
Court. (The policies were upheld by a lower court, but that
court's decision was voided by the Supreme Court. Another court
upheld the policies and another appeal is pending.)
在德州大學類似的案例也被吵上高等法院
Those who defend “holistic” admissions policies insist that
considering a broader range of variables ensures that all
applicants are judged fairly. And the Princeton study Lee refers
to has been widely criticized by academics who argue that it
relies too heavily on grades and test scores to draw conclusions
about racial bias and that the data the study uses are too old to
be relevant.
Ann Lee引用的這篇Princeton Study被很多學者批評：
1. 單純使用學校成績與考試分數作為種族偏見的指控太過武斷
2. 這篇研究(2004)用的資料已經過於老舊
Still, anxiety over racial admissions rates is peaking as
cash-crunched public universities increasingly favor high-paying
out-of-state and foreign students at the expense of local
applicants of every ethnicity. A 2014 bill that would have asked
voters to consider restoring race as a factor in admissions to
public California colleges and universities sparked multiple
public protests and scathing editorials in Chinese newspapers. The
bill, Senate Constitutional Amendment 5, was shelved last year.
Lee says that she usually tries to at least mention arguments in
favor of diversity at her free college seminars. She mentions how
the black student population at UCLA has declined precipitously
and how student bodies at elite universities probably shouldn't be
100% of Asian descent. When she looks to see the response, she
sees mostly slowly shaking heads.
“It's really hard for me to explain diversity to parents whose
only goal is getting their son into Harvard,” Lee says.
That same ethic causes parents and students to agonize over which
box, if any, to check on the race and nationality section of the
application. One parent asked Zell whether it would help to
legally change the family name to something more Western-sounding.
Last year, a rumor that Harvard University would stop accepting
any more Asian American students from San Marino High School
spread like a trending hashtag.
Mollie Beckler, a counselor at San Marino High School, says that
Harvard never imposed such a rule. School counselors are
continually trying to dispel myths like these, she says, if only
in hopes of slightly lowering the huge stress students shoulder
because of their intense focus on elite schools.
“The feeling of failure they get from trying to reach such high
standards,” she said, “is very concerning to us in the
counseling world.”
Only a few of the San Gabriel Valley's tutoring centers confront
the ethnic admissions issue head-on.
Jamie Aviles, a counselor at the ACI Institute, doesn't teach ways
to overcome perceived racial bias, she says. But she and many
other counselors do agree on at least one thing.
As Aviles puts it: “It sucks to be a kid in the San Gabriel
Valley.”
總歸而言, 這篇報導引用的是2015年LA times的報導, 而LA times的報導引用的paper
已經是2004年的study. 而分數的加減只是該篇paper的估計值, 並非實際每所學校都採
用. 而當篇paper也已經被眾多學者criticize:只把成績當成唯一參照就直接定義種族偏
見根本過度武斷.
但我想記者只想找聳動的東西抄, 把文章看完根本太為難你.
bias/racism一定有, 但是不是你寫得這麼直觀.
你這種程度的記者寫出來的東西建議永久在ptt禁言
屢次在報導後面摻入個人揣測
從指稱ray allen為同性戀開始幾乎有60%以上的報導是廢文
對, 我說的就是中時電子報, 盧品青
--
※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 223.141.19.37
※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1518575482.A.EF0.html
→
02/14 10:34,
6年前
, 1F
02/14 10:34, 1F
推
02/14 10:35,
6年前
, 2F
02/14 10:35, 2F
→
02/14 10:35,
6年前
, 3F
02/14 10:35, 3F
推
02/14 10:35,
6年前
, 4F
02/14 10:35, 4F
→
02/14 10:36,
6年前
, 5F
02/14 10:36, 5F
我要找的是這篇報導引用的source
我只想電他 不想找最新的文章
推
02/14 10:36,
6年前
, 6F
02/14 10:36, 6F
→
02/14 10:37,
6年前
, 7F
02/14 10:37, 7F
→
02/14 10:37,
6年前
, 8F
02/14 10:37, 8F
→
02/14 10:37,
6年前
, 9F
02/14 10:37, 9F
→
02/14 10:37,
6年前
, 10F
02/14 10:37, 10F
推
02/14 10:37,
6年前
, 11F
02/14 10:37, 11F
→
02/14 10:38,
6年前
, 12F
02/14 10:38, 12F
→
02/14 10:38,
6年前
, 13F
02/14 10:38, 13F
→
02/14 10:38,
6年前
, 14F
02/14 10:38, 14F
→
02/14 10:39,
6年前
, 15F
02/14 10:39, 15F
→
02/14 10:39,
6年前
, 16F
02/14 10:39, 16F
→
02/14 10:39,
6年前
, 17F
02/14 10:39, 17F
推
02/14 10:39,
6年前
, 18F
02/14 10:39, 18F
請看下方連結
推
02/14 10:41,
6年前
, 19F
02/14 10:41, 19F
→
02/14 10:43,
6年前
, 20F
02/14 10:43, 20F
→
02/14 10:43,
6年前
, 21F
02/14 10:43, 21F
推
02/14 10:44,
6年前
, 22F
02/14 10:44, 22F
→
02/14 10:45,
6年前
, 23F
02/14 10:45, 23F
推
02/14 10:46,
6年前
, 24F
02/14 10:46, 24F
推
02/14 10:47,
6年前
, 25F
02/14 10:47, 25F
推
02/14 10:48,
6年前
, 26F
02/14 10:48, 26F
→
02/14 10:48,
6年前
, 27F
02/14 10:48, 27F
推
02/14 10:51,
6年前
, 28F
02/14 10:51, 28F
推
02/14 10:51,
6年前
, 29F
02/14 10:51, 29F
→
02/14 10:51,
6年前
, 30F
02/14 10:51, 30F
→
02/14 10:55,
6年前
, 31F
02/14 10:55, 31F
推
02/14 10:57,
6年前
, 32F
02/14 10:57, 32F
推
02/14 10:58,
6年前
, 33F
02/14 10:58, 33F
→
02/14 10:58,
6年前
, 34F
02/14 10:58, 34F
→
02/14 10:58,
6年前
, 35F
02/14 10:58, 35F
→
02/14 10:58,
6年前
, 36F
02/14 10:58, 36F
→
02/14 10:58,
6年前
, 37F
02/14 10:58, 37F
還有 154 則推文
還有 3 段內文
推
02/14 14:33,
6年前
, 192F
02/14 14:33, 192F
推
02/14 14:35,
6年前
, 193F
02/14 14:35, 193F
推
02/14 14:47,
6年前
, 194F
02/14 14:47, 194F
推
02/14 14:57,
6年前
, 195F
02/14 14:57, 195F
→
02/14 14:57,
6年前
, 196F
02/14 14:57, 196F
推
02/14 15:11,
6年前
, 197F
02/14 15:11, 197F
推
02/14 15:25,
6年前
, 198F
02/14 15:25, 198F
→
02/14 15:26,
6年前
, 199F
02/14 15:26, 199F
→
02/14 15:26,
6年前
, 200F
02/14 15:26, 200F
→
02/14 15:27,
6年前
, 201F
02/14 15:27, 201F
→
02/14 15:28,
6年前
, 202F
02/14 15:28, 202F
→
02/14 15:30,
6年前
, 203F
02/14 15:30, 203F
推
02/14 15:38,
6年前
, 204F
02/14 15:38, 204F
推
02/14 15:45,
6年前
, 205F
02/14 15:45, 205F
→
02/14 15:45,
6年前
, 206F
02/14 15:45, 206F
→
02/14 15:58,
6年前
, 207F
02/14 15:58, 207F
噓
02/14 16:22,
6年前
, 208F
02/14 16:22, 208F
噓
02/14 18:02,
6年前
, 209F
02/14 18:02, 209F
→
02/14 18:02,
6年前
, 210F
02/14 18:02, 210F
噓
02/14 18:03,
6年前
, 211F
02/14 18:03, 211F
→
02/14 18:03,
6年前
, 212F
02/14 18:03, 212F
→
02/14 18:05,
6年前
, 213F
02/14 18:05, 213F
→
02/14 18:06,
6年前
, 214F
02/14 18:06, 214F
→
02/14 18:06,
6年前
, 215F
02/14 18:06, 215F
推
02/14 18:07,
6年前
, 216F
02/14 18:07, 216F
→
02/14 18:07,
6年前
, 217F
02/14 18:07, 217F
噓
02/14 18:45,
6年前
, 218F
02/14 18:45, 218F
→
02/14 19:06,
6年前
, 219F
02/14 19:06, 219F
→
02/14 19:06,
6年前
, 220F
02/14 19:06, 220F
推
02/14 20:30,
6年前
, 221F
02/14 20:30, 221F
→
02/14 20:30,
6年前
, 222F
02/14 20:30, 222F
推
02/15 03:59,
6年前
, 223F
02/15 03:59, 223F
推
02/15 07:35,
6年前
, 224F
02/15 07:35, 224F
→
02/15 07:35,
6年前
, 225F
02/15 07:35, 225F
→
02/15 07:35,
6年前
, 226F
02/15 07:35, 226F
→
02/15 07:35,
6年前
, 227F
02/15 07:35, 227F
→
02/15 07:38,
6年前
, 228F
02/15 07:38, 228F
→
02/15 07:38,
6年前
, 229F
02/15 07:38, 229F
→
02/15 07:38,
6年前
, 230F
02/15 07:38, 230F
→
02/15 07:38,
6年前
, 231F
02/15 07:38, 231F
討論串 (同標題文章)