[外絮] NBA歷史上偉大的控球後衛已回收

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http://ppt.cc/nlU_ The point guard position in the NBA is something that has been in a constantly dynamic state from the days of Bob Coust to Magic Johnson and now players like Kyrie Irving and Russell Westbrook. There are the traditionally small, pass-first point guards (Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul) and the players like Irving and Rose who are multi-faceted and are coveted for their ability to facilitate for others but also create for themselves. The greatest NBA point guards of all time may vary wildly in how they played the game but one thing is for sure: all fit the bill as excellent ball-handlers. NBA中的PG總是在不斷的變換下持續著，從過去的Bob Coust到Magic 到現在的Kyrie Irving和Russell Westbrook。 NBA中有傳統小隻的、傳球優先的控球後衛(像是Rajon Rondo，CP3) 和像Irving和Rose這樣擁有令人稱羨的進攻手段的多面向球員。 NBA偉大的控球後衛從以前到現在，就其如何統御比賽有很大的改變， 但其中有一項卻是恆久不變的：他們都是一流的持球者。 So, while there is an extensive list of great NBA point guards, here are the top 10 of all time: 從這麼多偉大的後衛中，我們挑了選出了前十名： 10. Gary Payton Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 16.3 3.9 6.7 1.8 .466 .729 .317 1335 The Glove had a long and impressive career that only saw one championship because there was only really one team that won the Finals in the 1990s. While Tony Parker may give him a run for his money on this 10-spot, Payton was a premiere defensive point guard who earned a spot on nine All-Defensive First Teams and won the 1996 Defensive Player of the Year award. The Glove經歷了一段長且令人印象深刻的深涯，雖然只得到 了一座冠軍(畢竟1990年代真正的冠軍就只有那一隊) 雖然我們也想選Tony Parker當第十名，但Payton是首位防守PG 獲選9次防守第一隊和贏得1996年最佳防守者頭銜的球員。 9. Walt Frazier Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 18.9 5.9 6.1 1.9 .490 .786 N/A 825 A significant cog in the two championships that the New York Knicks won in the early 70s, Frazier put up an incredible 36 points and dished out 19 dimes in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals. Like Payton, Frazier was also known for his ability to force turnovers and was named to seven All-Defensive First Teams. 紐約尼克隊在70年代早期獲得兩座冠軍的重要齒輪，Frazier在1970 總冠軍賽第七場時，貢獻了不可思議的36分以及送出了19個助攻。 就像Payton一樣，Frazier也擅長讓對手發生失誤，也因此獲選了七次 防守第一隊。 8. Steve Nash Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 14.4 3.0 8.5 0.7 .491 .904 .428 1201 Now that we’ve covered our basis on the point guards that played defense, it ’s time to get into some that were not quite as involved on that side of the basketball (it's a joke...well, maybe not). Nash is known for being a relatively lackadaisical defender but his two MVP awards outshine those deficits. Although he may never win that first NBA championship, Nash was an incredible point guard who could thread the needle with the best passers of all time. 上兩位球員都是防守相當厲害的PG，現在該是時候不要再談論 該類型的PG了。Nash的防守能力之相對不好是眾所皆知的，但 他的兩次MVP殊榮卻能完全掩蓋之。雖然Nash從未得到他第一座 的冠軍獎盃，但他在球場上穿針引線的傳球功力確實讓他成為了 不可思議的後衛傳奇。 7. Allen Iverson Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 26.7 3.7 6.2 2.2 .425 .780 .313 914 Too many lists that I’ve read have not given enough love to this guy. I’ll admit that I was never a huge fan of Iverson during his playing days…well maybe aside from this. But there is no denying his greatness; The Answer made the crossover an art and was arguably the best basketball player pound-for-pound at 6’0”. His style of play doesn't exactly scream "point guard" but Iverson was the prelude to players today like Westbrook, Irving, Parker, and Derrick Rose who aren't PGs in the traditional sense. In terms of legacy, AI’s at seven but if you ask me who I’d draft as a GM, Iverson as a rookie or in his prime is easily in the top-five. 很多偉大球員的排名表上常常沒有AI的名字，這實在對他太沒愛了 我承認我從來不是他的粉絲，但他的偉大卻是無庸置疑的： The Answer把cross over提升為藝術的境界，而且可以說是在6尺0吋 中最棒的籃球員。Ierson的打法並無法完全撐得上是一名後衛， 但他卻是今日後衛，諸如RW，Irving，Tony Parker，Rose的先行者。 在他所留下來的數據下，他是第七名。但如果我是GM，遇到AI正值 Rookie或者全盛時期的他的話，他絕對是前五名。 6. Jason Kidd Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 12.7 6.3 8.7 1.9 .400 .785 .349 1380 Although he never had the flashiness of Iverson’s scoring or Nash’s passing, Jason Kidd has been the model of consistency for nearly two decades in the NBA. For the vast majority of his career, he was known as a pass-first point guard but even improved his outside shooting after joining Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas during 2008. After adding an NBA title to a host of other accomplishments (All-Star appearances, league leading assist numbers, First Team awards both All-NBA and All-Defensive), he solidified his legacy with the greatest of all time. 儘管Kidd沒有像AI一樣閃電般的得分能力，也沒有像Nash一樣 出神入化的傳球能力，Kidd是二十年NBA持久性的模範。 在他的生涯大部份時間裡，他是一名傳統的傳球型後衛，但也 在加入2008年的小牛隊後，提高了他的外圍投射能力。 在為他的其他偉大成就添了一筆"NBA總冠軍"之後，他鞏固了他 在NBA偉大歷史中的地位 5. Bob Cousy Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 18.4 5.2 7.5 N/A .375 .803 N/A 924 The man who ran point for Bill Russell’s 60s Celtics boasts six rings and an MVP award. He led the NBA in assists for eight consecutive years and was known for flashy “street ball”-type moves. Even though his field goal percentage verged on terrible, the star PG was named to an incredible 10 All-NBA First Teams. Cousy dominated a generation of basketball and put up astounding assist numbers despite the fact that there was no shot clock in the early 50s. 這男人是在Bill Russell所待的60年代賽爾提克隊的得分砲手， 而他為塞爾提克得到了6座冠軍，自己也擁有MVP頭銜。 他當助攻王當了連續八年，而且他也因其華麗的街籃風格而出名。 儘管他的FG%瀕臨讓人崩潰的境界，他還是被提名了10次NBA第一隊。 儘管50年代早期根本沒有計時器，Cousy還是統治了當代的NBA，並 且締造了驚人的助攻數。 4. Isiah Thomas Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 19.2 3.6 9.3 1.9 .452 .759 .290 979 Although his post-playing career has proven to be less than impressive, Isiah Thomas led the “Bad Boys” to back-to-back NBA championships in 1989 and 1990. Not only that but in the 1988 NBA Finals, Thomas had one of the greatest playoff performances of all time after a third quarter ankle sprain (albeit in a losing effort). He owns most of the statistical records in Detroit and nearly averaged 20 points and 10 assists for his career. 儘管Isiah Thomas的生涯後期並不如前期那樣驚豔，他仍然是個 曾經帶領Bad Boys軍團在1989和1990連續兩年獲得NBA總冠軍的強 大球員。且除了上述表現之外，他在1988的總冠軍戰，在第三節 的腳踝扭傷候，打出了NBA史上最偉大的表現之一。 他的統計記錄大多是來自底特律，生涯平均接近20分10助攻。 3. John Stockton Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 13.1 2.7 10.5 2.2 .515 .826 .384 1504 John Stockton is the best traditional point guard in NBA history. With the all-time NBA records in both assists (15,806) and steals (3,265), he and Karl Malone tore up the Western conference during the 90s. Known as the ultimate pick and roll point man, he also was able to score at an incredibly efficient rate (over 50 percent from the field and 38 percent from three). John Stockton是NBA史上最棒的傳統型後衛。他帶著總共15,806 個助攻和3,265個抄截，和Malone粉碎了90年代的西區。 被認為是最會pick and roll的男人，他繳出了驚人的效率。 (超過50%的FG和38%的3PT) 2. Oscar Robertson Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 25.7 7.5 9.5 N/A .485 .838 N/A 1040 Often considered the LeBron James of his day, Oscar Robertson was a do-it-all point guard. At 6’5”, the Big O averaged a triple-double for an entire season. Not only that but he was less than a half a rebound or assist away from averaging one in three more seasons. Often considered one of the most well-rounded players in NBA history, he also has the hardware (NBA champion and MVP) to back up his case as one of the greatest. 常被認為是當時代的LBJ，Robertson是個所有功課都做盡的PG。 身高6尺五，Big O平均成績接近大三元。他被認為是NBA歷史上 最全面的球員，並且他還擁有NBA冠軍和MVP殊榮替他背書。 1. Magic Johnson Points Rebounds Assists Steals FG% FT% 3PT% Games played 19.5 7.2 11.2 1.9 .520 .848 .303 906 Five-time NBA champion, three-time MVP, nine-time All-NBA First Team, four-time NBA assists leader…Magic Johnson is up there as one of the greatest NBA players of all time. He is the best point guard of all time without a doubt. At 6’9”, he was quite a bit more versatile than most PGs (who were a solid half-foot shorter) but the No. 1 overall pick in the 1979 NBA Draft had a career that was great from the get-go. The only rookie ever to win the Finals MVP award, he finished off the 76ers in the 1980 Finals with 42 points, 15 rebounds, seven assists, and three steals…as the starting center. 五次NBA總冠軍，三次MVP，九次入選NBA第一隊，四次NBA助攻王， 他是NBA史上最偉大的PG，Magic Johnson。六尺九吋的身高，他是 個比其他PG都還多才多藝的球員，並且也是1979年的狀元郎。 他也是唯一一個Rookie就得到Final MVP的球員，而且在1980年對上 76人的總冠軍戰中，以42分15籃板7助攻3抄截終結了他們，而且是 以先發中鋒的身分... -- 註1： Payton got his nickname "The Glove" when Payton's cousin called him during the 1993 Western Conference Finals series against Phoenix and told him, "you're holding Kevin Johnson like a baseball in a glove," and the nickname was born. 在1993西部決賽對上鳳凰城的時候，Payton的cousin說他的表現就像是 掌握Kevin Johnson就像掌握顆在手套中的棒球一樣。這就是他暱稱的由來。 -- 心得： 之前看過MAGIC的紀錄片和比賽影片， 真的是剛進NBA就變成球隊的球星... 完全看不出是菜鳥... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.161.24.48
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Magic Oscar Jerry Isiah
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都是神
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MAGIC可以說是最有天分的球員嘛?
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這十個最厲害的是每個人都有自己的絕招...
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混進兩名中鋒?
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寫其他四個位置要寫十個人 絕招好像容易重疊XD
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Kidd那段在講什麼 = =
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沒有5冠0.4的Fisher?
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淚推沒有Mark Price
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怎麼沒有五冠老漁? 五冠耶!
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亂排
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AI算控衛 = =??
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召喚Price大
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這篇文是古生物圖鑑
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私心覺得Nash可以再往前一點QQ 都沒提到 最準
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當然是LOGO人阿 到處都有他
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AI 是SG吧
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吳寶春
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他明明就有寫他排AI的理由....
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沒有史上最__的MVP 最佳銷貨員ROSE嗎
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現在幾乎沒傳統控衛了吧 都是混合體
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雙能衛
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這種主觀排名 每個人都能排一篇
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排的好
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把CP3拉進來換掉AI,再跟GP對調一下,就差不多了
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不太認同kidd沒Nash的傳球能力..
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AI還是排在SG榜中會比較適合
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而且Kidd一點都不傳統啊XD
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贊成樓上 AI主要的成就是在SG這個位置吧
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他排Kidd排的很委屈似的
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他應該是說Nash傳球比較華麗(?
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AI感覺是SG啊 Nash? 噗 他那殘破的防守也能上榜...
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老史的數據不知道要掛多久才會被破....
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Kidd 這麼前面?
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Payton比他強多了 要不是和Jordan生在同一時代...
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一直覺得這種文章立場超搖擺的 隨作者怎麼寫怎麼排
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AI只有08在金塊那年打法比較偏向PG吧..其他都算SG
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Nash比AI還低 呵呵
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原文的意思應該是Kidd的傳球沒有Nash那麼華麗
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還有 99 則推文
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啊，有一個是中鋒沒錯
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沒有NBA最強控衛rondo就是欠噓
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Stockton還是有被拉低阿，若是算前12年，場均助攻可
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魔術其實可以當傳球型中鋒
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達13次左右，得分應該也有14~15分，抄截、籃板也都有
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增加
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效率還是很高沒錯，但是因為這篇是算場均，所以會被
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拉低
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如果AI算PG的話應該可說是史上最會得分的PG了
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AI的會得分還是建立在大量球權上,他命中率並不高.
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看場均的基礎數據當然還是會被拉低沒錯啦，畢竟上場
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時間減少，但由於老史晚年依然維持高效率，他的拉低
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情況比起別人算不顯著的
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另外老史前12年場均是13.6分11.5助攻
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Kidd早期盛年期大概作者都沒看過
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居然沒有Nate Archibard
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白巧克力留在我心目中就好
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這篇竟然說Cousy的命中率terrible，他的FG%在當時算
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是聯盟後衛的平均水準了
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笑湯的2冠真的讓他在這種歷史PG排名加分加很大...
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從一些進階數據來看，他在這10位是墊底的
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沒有林書豪 失敗
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=============KIDD好歹也一個人稱霸東區過==========
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老史真的是這些表列的所有人更穩定.球員尾聲還是很強
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Bob cous"y"才對。原文錯，po翻譯也跟著錯，可能是不
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熟悉NBA歷史有名控衛
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Kidd排進去的理由居然是持久 XD
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KIDD早年的傳球之華麗 到底有沒有看球啊 爬數據罷了
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kidd速度還一度是nba前三名的,常在跟AI互飆速度
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老史排第一比較好吧 無人能超越的屏障
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大O和小艾？
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John Stockton!!
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推Stockton
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談到Nash的人應該是沒看過前幾位老人打球吧...
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他只能算是稍為窮人版的stockton...
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Kidd的傳球能力不輸Nash吧...
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Nash = 窮人版Stockton, Stoudmeire =窮人版Malone?
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Kidd = 窮人版Magic...
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Kidd的防守和籃板沒提.除了手套.他也是連進9年防守隊
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PG也就這兩人達成..更不用說那籃板障礙
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