Re: [情報] 俄羅斯準備好與烏克蘭進行無條件談判

看板Military作者 (工口)時間1年前 (2023/02/11 19:10), 1年前編輯推噓31(31018)
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塔斯社的英文報導原文,有人說連結點不開所以我直接原文轉錄 https://tass.com/military-operation-in-ukraine/1575101 Russia ready for talks with Ukraine, but with no preconditions, diplomat insists Peace talks should "be based on the existing reality," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister says MOSCOW, February 11. /TASS/. Russia is ready to engage with Ukraine, but there should not be any preconditions for talks that should be based on the existing reality, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Vershinin said in an interview with Zvezda television. "Yes, according to the classics, any hostilities end up in talks, and, naturally, as we have said before, we will be ready for such talks, but only if those are talks with no preconditions, talks that would be based on the existing reality," the senior Russian diplomat said, according to a fragment of the interview posted on the TV channel’s website. However, it is not Kiev, but Washington and Brussels who make the decision on talks with Moscow, Vershinin said. "First of all, there have been [talks] before - you remember Minsk and you remember Istanbul. And you remember that those were broken off by Ukraine, but you are well aware that decisions are being made not in Kiev, decisions are being made in other capitals, primarily in Washington and Brussels. So, inquiries should be sent there," he added. Commenting on whether such talks could be held under the current US president, Joe Biden, Vershinin said, "This does not depend on us, we have made our position clear, and if only Mr. Biden were cautious and wise enough, I mean him and his entourage," he added. TAGS Foreign policyRussian Foreign MinistryMilitary operation in Ukraine RT還把這新聞直接列在網站頭條 https://www.rt.com/russia/571324-ukraine-peace-talks-vershinin/ 最原始的來源是外交部副部長接受Zvezda TV的訪談 https://m.tvzvezda.ru/news/2023211832-A9xzm.html 他的說法是俄羅斯這邊老早就做好準備談判 不過烏克蘭這邊則是由美國與北約決定是否開始談判 他也說了談判要在雙方認知現實層面上才能真正進行 結論就是俄羅斯又把美國控制烏克蘭的那個論點拿出來談... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.71.48.50 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Military/M.1676113846.A.F44.html ※ 編輯: mithralin (111.71.48.50 臺灣), 02/11/2023 19:12:20

02/11 19:15, 1年前 , 1F
司機沒看到海不會罷休的,被入侵的失土本來就該取回
02/11 19:15, 1F

02/11 19:17, 1年前 , 2F
RT
02/11 19:17, 2F

02/11 19:17, 1年前 , 3F
先把布丁吊死再來談,記得開直播
02/11 19:17, 3F

02/11 19:21, 1年前 , 4F
談屁 烏克蘭一定要a進俄羅斯
02/11 19:21, 4F

02/11 19:22, 1年前 , 5F
看來是俄國安撫人心的心戰文宣,沒有太大意義
02/11 19:22, 5F

02/11 19:23, 1年前 , 6F
烏克蘭的要求一直都是恢復原有領土,不會無故A進俄
02/11 19:23, 6F

02/11 19:23, 1年前 , 7F
羅斯領土讓對方有口實
02/11 19:23, 7F

02/11 19:25, 1年前 , 8F
這很簡單理解...通常只有在戰場失利侵略者才會提出
02/11 19:25, 8F

02/11 19:25, 1年前 , 9F
談判
02/11 19:25, 9F

02/11 19:28, 1年前 , 10F
信不信,布丁的戰報還是優勢
02/11 19:28, 10F

02/11 19:28, 1年前 , 11F
其實鵝的重點就是烏不承認鵝實際淪陷事實上割讓
02/11 19:28, 11F

02/11 19:28, 1年前 , 12F
就不會“開始”談的意思
02/11 19:28, 12F

02/11 19:29, 1年前 , 13F
俄羅斯別作文比賽了 ...
02/11 19:29, 13F

02/11 19:30, 1年前 , 14F
而正是因為烏克蘭已經很早就嗆明不會放棄領土作
02/11 19:30, 14F

02/11 19:30, 1年前 , 15F
為前提來談判 所以老鵝又一貫抹黑烏克蘭所謂的
02/11 19:30, 15F

02/11 19:30, 1年前 , 16F
受美國/北約控制胡扯 來達到內外宣(甩鍋)目的
02/11 19:30, 16F

02/11 19:33, 1年前 , 17F
打人的說被打的被人控制 我又亂了 別人幫忙關俄p事
02/11 19:33, 17F

02/11 19:33, 1年前 , 18F
普丁拿命來賠吧
02/11 19:33, 18F

02/11 19:36, 1年前 , 19F
不趁這次把俄羅斯打到再起不能等何時
02/11 19:36, 19F

02/11 19:38, 1年前 , 20F
強佔別人家,被打到滿頭包再說我們要基於現有範圍談
02/11 19:38, 20F

02/11 19:38, 1年前 , 21F
這種強盜邏輯是有誰要跟他談
02/11 19:38, 21F

02/11 19:43, 1年前 , 22F
這說詞陳舊無新意
02/11 19:43, 22F

02/11 19:54, 1年前 , 23F
俄羅斯的談判就是要判我贏...
02/11 19:54, 23F

02/11 20:00, 1年前 , 24F
很遺憾 對付獨裁國家只能靠武力了
02/11 20:00, 24F

02/11 20:07, 1年前 , 25F
看來又是老調重彈 毫無意義
02/11 20:07, 25F

02/11 20:11, 1年前 , 26F
喔喔原來都是盎格魯撒克遜人的錯呀(挖鼻孔)
02/11 20:11, 26F

02/11 20:26, 1年前 , 27F
司機這個時間點同意放棄部分2014年以前領土換取和
02/11 20:26, 27F

02/11 20:26, 1年前 , 28F
平,搞不好會被自己人轟了
02/11 20:26, 28F

02/11 20:26, 1年前 , 29F
俄國自己認不清現實一直在那邊嘴現實
02/11 20:26, 29F

02/11 20:35, 1年前 , 30F
只有2d 一直凹單,唯有下臺一途,鵝國才有可能走談
02/11 20:35, 30F

02/11 20:35, 1年前 , 31F
判路線。
02/11 20:35, 31F

02/11 20:44, 1年前 , 32F
不把土地換人家的話這就是放屁,然後又要帶烏克蘭不
02/11 20:44, 32F

02/11 20:44, 1年前 , 33F
願意談判的風向
02/11 20:44, 33F

02/11 20:49, 1年前 , 34F
謝謝m大 我後來用移動網路順利打開了 有些isp的固定
02/11 20:49, 34F

02/11 20:49, 1年前 , 35F
ip好像會被鎖之類的
02/11 20:49, 35F

02/11 20:52, 1年前 , 36F
所以就是假新聞一條龍啦 政府官員帶頭說謊再由官媒
02/11 20:52, 36F

02/11 20:52, 1年前 , 37F
發佈 接著協同單位跟側翼跟著擴散 試圖引導風向
02/11 20:52, 37F

02/11 20:55, 1年前 , 38F
其實就和中國指責台灣不對話的話術一樣
02/11 20:55, 38F

02/11 20:56, 1年前 , 39F
不過風向不是那麼好帶的 只有中俄會自己高潮
02/11 20:56, 39F

02/11 20:59, 1年前 , 40F
還有八卦版
02/11 20:59, 40F

02/11 22:07, 1年前 , 41F
這是抹黑戰術啊,老共親自教授
02/11 22:07, 41F

02/11 22:09, 1年前 , 42F
談不成就洗腦國內人民烏克蘭壞壞,談得成就反手用50
02/11 22:09, 42F

02/11 22:09, 1年前 , 43F
萬大軍打爆烏克蘭
02/11 22:09, 43F

02/11 22:09, 1年前 , 44F
普丁雙贏
02/11 22:09, 44F

02/11 22:14, 1年前 , 45F
不管怎樣普丁都是贏
02/11 22:14, 45F

02/11 22:42, 1年前 , 46F
一邊說談判一邊發動攻勢,誰信你啊
02/11 22:42, 46F

02/12 00:48, 1年前 , 47F
談個鳥,打成這樣,總有人要吊路燈
02/12 00:48, 47F

02/12 10:26, 1年前 , 48F
真可笑的說法
02/12 10:26, 48F

02/12 10:37, 1年前 , 49F
老套了啦 然後自己發動總攻順便指責都是they的錯
02/12 10:37, 49F
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