Re: [討論] Joe Maddon:“the bunt is an overrated

看板MLB作者 (GH)時間12年前 (2013/04/15 03:54), 編輯推噓8(806)
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※ 引述《searoar (暗坑大豆)》之銘言: : http://tinyurl.com/bqf3bb2 : is an overrated play.” : Using the expected runs matrix at Baseball Prospectus (using 2012 data), : http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1122396 : runners on first and second with no outs yields 1.44 expected runs, while : runners on second and third with one out yields 1.29 expected runs. : 1.44>1.29 上太空的西瓜!! : Theoretically, one would slightly reduce run expectancy by bunting. However, : the certainty of scoring that one run goes up. Furthermore, bunting creates a : more realistic opportunity for production than letting Loney, who posted a : .630 OPS last season, swing away. Though I, like Maddon, think that bunting : is overrated in many circumstances, that was not one of those situations. : 但是給LONEY打就輸了GG 這段的重點不在Loney。 作者要表達的是,,雖然期望值較高,但變異數也大,在這種比賽最末段, 只要得一分就很關鍵的情況下,既然都能夠得一分,為什麼不選得分機率較高的bunt? 比賽前段或是打擊大戰用bunt當如不如用free swing 但也不能光用期望值就直接判斷bunt一定比較差 像比賽末段一分差決勝負 要重視的是variance rather than the expected value. 與其說西瓜上太空,不如說又看到一個亂用數據的人 (  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 35.10.151.174 ※ 編輯: gghh 來自: 35.10.151.174 (04/15 03:58)

04/15 04:47, , 1F
cannot agree with you more
04/15 04:47, 1F

04/15 05:32, , 2F
04/15 05:32, 2F

04/15 07:26, , 3F
講的好像bunt一定會成功一樣
04/15 07:26, 3F

04/15 07:32, , 4F
哪裡有講得像bunt一定會成功一樣= =?
04/15 07:32, 4F

04/15 09:59, , 5F
變異數應該就已經考量bunt失敗了吧
04/15 09:59, 5F

04/15 09:59, , 6F
只是考量後變異數還是較小
04/15 09:59, 6F

04/15 10:13, , 7F
重點是Loney啊 who posted a .630 OPS last season
04/15 10:13, 7F

04/15 10:16, , 8F
如果打的人是Pujols 你根本就不會去考慮觸擊 就算他是DP王
04/15 10:16, 8F

04/15 10:37, , 9F
原文根本沒說什麼Variance的問題, 只是0出局1,2壘有人
04/15 10:37, 9F

04/15 10:37, , 10F
雖然比1出局2,3壘有人多得一點分, 但得一分的機率1出
04/15 10:37, 10F

04/15 10:38, , 11F
2,3壘有人是比較高的, 打到九局1比1得一分就贏,還想多
04/15 10:38, 11F

04/15 10:39, , 12F
得一點分, 何況還遇到上季ops只有.630的Loney
04/15 10:39, 12F
一般來說,機率高不就是因為var低嗎?

04/15 14:07, , 13F
其實西瓜還有一個錯誤 統計數據可以廣泛應用在的結果 不可
04/15 14:07, 13F

04/15 14:08, , 14F
直接套用單一案例(Loney)身上...很明顯這兩件事是不同的事
04/15 14:08, 14F
※ 編輯: gghh 來自: 35.10.151.174 (04/16 01:27)
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