Re: [問卦] 台灣人挺烏克蘭是不是很奇怪的事?已回收

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其實一開始大家邏輯都很簡單啊 烏克蘭=台灣 俄羅斯=阿共 然後把情感投射到烏克蘭上面去 塔綠斑幾乎都是這樣 但是一講到美國最後沒有出兵 要大家自立自強 提供武器給烏克蘭的時候 就開始選擇性控制消息 一直塑造出烏克蘭一直勝利 爆打俄國的訊息 藉此說服台灣人 只要能自立自強 美國可以一直給你武器(可能還是要還錢的) 然後打打打打 一路爆殺解放軍 完全不去講烏克蘭到底實際死傷多少 遭受多少損失 只是在歌頌烏克蘭的勝利 因為烏克蘭=台灣 歌頌力挺烏克蘭=力挺台灣 哪天真的阿共打來 請獻出你的心臟吧! 勇敢的上戰場一路爆殺解放軍 然後問軍五塔綠斑 你有當兵嗎? 你會拿起美國的武器上戰場馬? 它們馬上會跳針 轉移話題 或者開始說"幹 根本就不會打啦"之類的言論 ※ 引述《A6 (短ID真好)》之銘言： : ※ 引述《wahaha99 (此方不可長)》之銘言： : : 唉 : : 全世界現在正在兩極化 : : 歐美為首的同盟國 : : 中俄伊為首的軸心國 : : 當然有部分在其中遊走的 如印度 : ㄟㄟ : 你有沒有想過 : 烏克蘭現在也是在其中遊走???? : https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-ukraine-china-russia-xi-abcab63f7424cc15ef12d85aba180e7f : Ukraine’s Zelenskyy is ‘ready’ for Chinese leader to visit : ON A TRAIN FROM SUMY TO KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s president invited : his powerful Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to visit his nation, saying : they haven’t been in contact since the war began and he is “ready to see : him here.” : “I want to speak with him,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy told The Associated Press : on Tuesday, the week after Xi visited Russian President Vladimir Putin last : week. China had no immediate response about whether a Xi visit to Ukraine : would happen. : MORE COVERAGE : – Ukraine's Zelenskyy: Any Russian victory could be perilous : – Takeaways from AP's interview with Ukraine's Zelenskyy : China has been economically aligned and politically favorable toward : neighboring Russia across many decades, and Beijing has provided Putin : diplomatic cover by staking out an official position of neutrality in the : war. Xi, a powerful leader who commands the resources of the world’s most : populous nation, is an important player in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, and : even China’s lack of involvement is a potent statement. : Zelenskyy spoke to the AP aboard a train shuttling him across Ukraine, to : cities near some of the fiercest fighting and others where his country’s : forces have successfully repelled Russia’s invasion. Zelenskyy rarely : travels with journalists, and the president’s office said AP’s two night : train trip with him was the most extensive since the war began. : Zelenskyy has extended invitations to Xi before in recent months, but this : explicit call to visit comes days after the Chinese leader visited Putin in : Russia last week. But the Ukrainian leader said he hasn’t communicated with : Xi for the duration of the conflict. : “We are ready to see him here,” Zelenskyy said. “I had contact with him : before full-scale war. But during all this year, more than one year, I didn’ : t have.” : In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning was asked whether : Xi would accept an invitation from Zelenskyy — or whether one had been : officially extended. She told reporters she had no information to give. She : did say that Beijing maintains “communication with all parties concerned, : including Ukraine.” : Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, asked whether a meeting between Xi and : Zelenskyy would be useful to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, said Russian : authorities “highly appreciate” China’s balanced position on the issue and : “have no right to come up with any advice” on whether the two should meet. : “The Chinese leader himself decides the appropriateness of certain contacts, : ” Peskov said during his daily conference call with reporters Wednesday. : In Washington, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby : said the United States supports talks between Xi and Zelenskyy, “and my : goodness, we’ve been saying that for weeks.” : Xi’s Russia visit last week raised the prospect that Beijing might be ready : to provide Moscow with the weapons and ammunition it needs to refill its : depleted stockpile. But Xi’s trip ended without any such announcement. Days : later, Putin announced that he would be deploying tactical nuclear weapons to : Belarus, which neighbors Russia and pushes the Kremlin’s nuclear stockpile : closer to NATO territory. : Zelenskyy suggested Putin’s move was intended to distract from the lack of : guarantees he received from China. : “What does it mean? It means that the visit was not good for Russia,” : Zelenskyy speculated. : Ukraine’s Zelenskyy upbeat after talk with China’s Xi : https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-chernobyl-anniversary-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-1000c89ffd069cc32a32c300ea6a51ae : KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he and : Chinese leader Xi Jinping had a “long and meaningful” phone call Wednesday, : their first known contact since Russia invaded Ukraine over a year ago, and : Beijing appointed an envoy to pursue a “political settlement.” : The hour-long call came two months after Beijing, which has long been aligned : with Russia, said it wanted to act as a mediator and a month after Xi visited : Moscow. The call also coincided with indications that Ukraine is readying its : forces for a spring counteroffensive. : READ MORE : – China says it will send peace envoy to Ukraine : – Why China is trying to mediate in Russia's war with Ukraine : – Chinese President Xi calls for Ukraine peace talks : – Ukraine's Zelenskyy is 'ready' for Chinese leader to visit : Zelenskyy was upbeat about the conversation, which offered him the chance to : insert his views into what had been a bilateral dialogue between Moscow and : Beijing. Russian President Vladimir Putin is eager to keep Xi close as a : counterweight to the United States, which has sided with Ukraine. : “I believe that this call, as well as the appointment of Ukraine’s : ambassador to China, will give a powerful impetus to the development of our : bilateral relations,” Zelenskyy said on Facebook. : An official readout on his website called the conversation “productive” and : said it leads the way toward “possible interaction with the aim of : establishing a just and sustainable peace for Ukraine.” : Zelenskyy emphasized the need to regain all Ukrainian lands and stated, “ : There can be no peace at the expense of territorial compromises.” In an : indirect reference to U.S. reports that China had considered supplying : weapons to Russia for its war, Zelenskyy’s office said he asked countries to : refrain from doing so because “any support -- even partial -- is converted : by Russia into the continuation of its aggression, into its further rejection : of peace.” China has said it won’t supply weapons to either side in the : conflict. : The Chinese Foreign Ministry said Beijing’s “core stance is to facilitate : talks for peace,” announcing that an envoy — a former ambassador to Russia : — would visit Ukraine to seek a “political settlement.” : The ministry’s statement struck a positive tone, giving a nod to Kyiv’s : insistence that its territory cannot be broken up by Russia’s annexations : and making clear that Beijing values its longstanding ties with Ukraine. : “Mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is the political : foundation of China-Ukraine relations,” the statement said. “China’s : readiness to develop relations with Ukraine is consistent and clear-cut. No : matter how the international situation evolves, China will work with Ukraine : to advance mutually beneficial cooperation.” : Analysts expressed skepticism about the prospects for peace. : The call balances China’s dialogue with Russia by showing it is “ : recognizing Ukraine’s leadership and indicating Ukraine is an important : entity,” said political science professor Kimberly Marten of Barnard College : at Columbia University in New York. : But, she added in an interview with The Associated Press, unless undisclosed : details reveal otherwise, “it’s a non-starter. It’s pro-Russian. I would : not guess that this holds a lot of significance for ending the war.” : She noted the Chinese statement didn’t call for Russia to leave occupied : areas or brand Russia as an aggressor, and refers to the situation as “a : crisis, rather than a war.” : Elizabeth Wishnick, of the U.S.-based think tank CNA and Columbia University’ : s Weatherhead East Asian Institute, noted in an email to AP that the Chinese : statement about the call contains “no mention of a Russian troop withdrawal, : which, to my mind, makes this a less than serious initiative and unlikely to : contribute in any major way to ending the war, which will likely be decided : on the battlefield.” : In Moscow, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova commended : China’s approach, praising Beijing’s “readiness to strive to establish a : (peace) negotiations process,” while slamming Kyiv’s “rejection of any : sound initiatives aimed at a settlement.” : The White House described it as a positive development, allowing Xi to hear : Ukraine’s view of the “illegal, unprovoked invasion.” : “We think that’s a good thing,” White House National Security Council : spokesman John Kirby said. : Talks between the two leaders had been anticipated for weeks, after China : produced a 12-point proposal to end the fighting, although it did not contain : details. : Russia and Ukraine are far apart in their terms for peace. The Kremlin wants : Kyiv to acknowledge Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and the : Ukrainian provinces of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia, which most : nations have denounced as illegal. Ukraine has rejected the demands and ruled : out any talks with Russia until its troops pull back from all occupied : territories. : Zelenskyy said in an interview with the AP last month that he hadn’t spoken : with Xi since the war began and invited him to visit Ukraine. : China has announced it was keen to act as mediator in the war that has : reenergized NATO. Xi’s position reinforces China’s claim that it’s neutral : in the war, despite blocking U.N. efforts to condemn the Kremlin’s invasion. : While Zelenskyy has moved his country closer to NATO and persuaded alliance : members to send Ukraine sophisticated weapons to help defeat Russia, Beijing : has echoed the Kremlin line in accusing the West of provoking the conflict : and “fanning the flames” by arming Kyiv. : When China called in February for a cease-fire and peace talks between : Ukraine and Russia, Zelenskyy cautiously welcomed Beijing’s involvement but : said success would depend on actions, not words. : Putin warmly welcomed Xi to the Kremlin, in what was seen as a powerful : message to Western leaders that their efforts to isolate Moscow over the : fighting in Ukraine have fallen short. : Also on Wednesday, Zelenskyy used the 37th anniversary of the world’s worst : nuclear disaster at Chernobyl to repeat his warnings about the threat of a : new atomic catastrophe during his country’s war with Russia. : Zelenskyy drew a parallel between the Chernobyl accident on April 26, 1986, : to Moscow’s brief seizure of that plant and its radiation-contaminated : exclusion zone following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. : “Last year, the occupier not only seized the (Chernobyl) nuclear power : plant, but also endangered the entire world again,” Zelenskyy said in a : Telegram post in English. : In other developments Wednesday: : —Ukrainian and Russian officials announced the latest prisoner exchange, : saying 44 Ukrainian and 40 Russian POWs were released this week. The head of : the Ukrainian presidential office, Andriy Yermak, said on Telegram that the : Ukrainians included soldiers, sailors, border and national guards, and two : civilians. : —The head of the southeastern Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration, : Yurii Malashko, said Russia struck 19 civilian areas with 53 artillery : attacks, six rocket attacks, seven drone attacks and one airstrike overnight. : —At least two civilians were killed and 13 others were wounded in Ukraine : since Tuesday, the presidential office said. : —An Italian journalist in Ukraine, Corrado Zunino, was injured and his : interpreter Bogdan Bitik killed in the southern city of Kherson. Zunino, a : correspondent for La Repubblica daily, told the newspaper he suspected : Russian snipers hit him after passing through Ukrainian-manned checkpoints. : ___ : 阿基師 都要邀請習近平到烏克蘭去了 : 然後你非要說他們是敵對???? : 蝦??? : : 還有一些真的干他屁事的 : : 但先進重要國家 如G8 G20 : : 都是這樣 : : 我不知道八卦是不是同溫層抱團太久 : : 還是只會看垃圾新聞 72新聞 : : 只會從大中天三民自接收訊息 : : 連現在世界變成怎樣都不知道了 : 你在公沙米 : 你是不是不會看外電阿??? : 還是你看不懂英文???? : 台灣沒報導 外面有報導好嗎 : 還是你以為三民自以外都是不可信紅媒阿 : 就算是美國媒體?? : : 當然 再早個兩年 : : 我也不會說敵人的敵人就是朋友 : : 但 : : 這樣的時代已經來了 : : 未來就是必須要選邊站 : : 不過既然大家都活在平行時空 : : 我也沒有什麼辦法 : : 替我向平行時空的我問好 : : 謝謝 : 我們真的是在平行空間阿 : 人家邀中國過去訪問 : 結果你那邊是敵對 : 可能你那邊川普連任惹吧 : ㄎㄎ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.73.210.225 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1684475725.A.45C.html
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05/19 13:56, 2年前 , 1F
問他們中國打過來烏克蘭會幫我們嗎?
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05/19 13:56, 2年前 , 2F
我會拿起手機上ptt爆掛然後趁亂出櫃
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05/19 13:56, 2年前 , 3F
它們馬上會跳針 幹根本不會打起來拉
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05/19 13:57, 2年前 , 4F
不會,烏克蘭是死忠中國支持者
05/19 13:57, 4F
噓
05/19 13:57, 2年前 , 5F
台灣人挺中更奇怪，國民黨舔中更奇怪
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05/19 13:57, 2年前 , 6F
烏克蘭非常需要中國市場
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05/19 13:58, 2年前 , 7F
好了啦
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05/19 13:59, 2年前 , 8F
黃安：望解放軍威武之師解放台灣
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05/19 13:59, 2年前 , 9F
所以你要跪著投降嗎
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05/19 14:00, 2年前 , 10F
反觀硅俄子
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05/19 14:00, 2年前 , 11F
他們不想接受被俄羅斯統治 就這麼簡單
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05/19 14:00, 2年前 , 12F
連公子：科興好棒棒，AZ是垃圾
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05/19 14:01, 2年前 , 13F
所以連戰為何偷打AZ?
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05/19 14:03, 2年前 , 14F
投射就投射 說中烏敵對 就很好笑
05/19 14:03, 14F
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05/19 14:03, 2年前 , 15F
屬於自作多情了
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05/19 14:04, 2年前 , 16F
上面一些人完美詮釋跳針跟不正面回答
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05/19 14:04, 2年前 , 17F
給你武器和派兵幫　基本上也是幻想而已
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05/19 14:04, 2年前 , 18F
挺烏理由明明有很多 然後能找出很扯的理由
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05/19 14:05, 2年前 , 19F
我拿武器就是先打美國人 很簡單
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05/19 14:05, 2年前 , 20F
戰爭被圍 世界各國派兵突圍給你送大米?
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 21F
順便殺幾隻民進黨黨員
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 22F
俄烏戰爭 人員死亡 7:1 俄7 烏 1 俄羅斯
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 23F
戰死20萬 阿共是登陸作戰 戰死比例應比
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 24F
這還高 而且是人類有史以來最大的登陸
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 25F
作戰
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05/19 14:06, 2年前 , 26F
大陸那邊還林於耕拼命種大米 台灣吵當兵
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 27F
好了啦 很氣耶
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 28F
台灣基本上就是一個躺平的心態 無敵了
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 29F
塔綠班覺得自己不會是傷亡數字之一
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 30F
認同，因為投射情感 會有很多不實際的
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 31F
期待，自然無法理性看待，我們該期待並
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05/19 14:07, 2年前 , 32F
不是誰輸誰贏，而是有可能成為下一個戰
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05/19 14:08, 2年前 , 33F
場同時 能否調整心態去準備
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05/19 14:08, 2年前 , 34F
只要美日各國介入台灣戰爭傷亡人數=0
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05/19 14:08, 2年前 , 35F
大小藍也是一樣情感投射呀 只是俄國=祖國
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05/19 14:08, 2年前 , 36F
大陸 烏克蘭=愛挑釁的民進黨當局哈哈
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05/19 14:09, 2年前 , 37F
目標手段的錯置 只是讓我們迷失在敵我
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05/19 14:09, 2年前 , 38F
對錯的問題上 並無法讓台灣人真的接受
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05/19 14:09, 2年前 , 39F
戰爭來臨的可能增加
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05/19 14:09, 2年前 , 40F
新聞看久了還以為烏克蘭傷亡人數是零
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05/19 14:09, 2年前 , 41F
政治立場不同罷了
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05/19 14:10, 2年前 , 42F
呵 有人挺中？ 腦子呢？還是眼瞎了
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05/19 14:10, 2年前 , 43F
？
05/19 14:10, 43F
噓
05/19 14:12, 2年前 , 44F
所以不然要舔共嗎？
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05/19 14:14, 2年前 , 45F
不管是誰上台執政都尊重 因為是人民一票
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05/19 14:15, 2年前 , 46F
一票投出來的 唯一不能忍受的是 被共產
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05/19 14:15, 2年前 , 47F
黨統治 民主如果需付出代價 那就付吧
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05/19 14:15, 2年前 , 48F
特別是那些人很愛假中立，跟他們最愛的祖
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05/19 14:15, 2年前 , 49F
挺烏是人道上啦 不然烏克蘭超傾中的
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05/19 14:15, 2年前 , 50F
國大陸一樣
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05/19 14:17, 2年前 , 51F
看到俄國有進展，心中的喜悅都藏不住的
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05/19 14:18, 2年前 , 52F
支那就想殺你全家，當然拿武器打爆支
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05/19 14:18, 2年前 , 53F
那豬啊。
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05/19 14:19, 2年前 , 54F
所以這國家有什麼一日球迷也不稀奇 支
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05/19 14:19, 2年前 , 55F
持都支持了 激情過去了 自己卻一點長進
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05/19 14:19, 2年前 , 56F
都沒有
05/19 14:19, 56F
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05/19 14:19, 2年前 , 57F
你太粗暴了 會讓舔美粉綠賤畜崩潰噓
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05/19 14:23, 2年前 , 58F
你看塔綠斑狂噓就知道說到痛處了
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05/19 15:42, 2年前 , 59F
綠粉舔美? 哪來的笑話XDDD
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05/19 15:42, 2年前 , 60F
現任美國總統大選前怎麼被綠粉攻擊的?
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05/19 15:43, 2年前 , 61F
川拜粉的笑話不就這次烏俄戰爭的2.0
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05/19 15:44, 2年前 , 62F
我看那群人連解放軍女兵都跑不贏
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05/20 03:26, 2年前 , 64F
軍武板的軍事宅
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