Re: [爆卦] 女權雜誌:亞洲女性歧視亞洲男性已回收

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翻譯騙P 個人渣翻 有誤請見諒 ※ 引述《zhxl (武裝肥宅)》之銘言: : 探討「亞洲女性仇視亞洲男性」的議題 : 此文出於專門關注亞洲女生權利的雜誌 april magazine 上 : 原文網址:https://goo.gl/9HHf73 : 原文 : I was in the eighth grade when I first encountered a self-hating Asian. The : person in question was a 1.5th generation Korean girl and one of the few : other Asian students in my nearly all-white Canadian high school. Being : (heterosexual) teenaged girls, we naturally spent a lot of our time together : discussing cute boys. I can still remember her reaction when I mentioned that : my long-time crush was the boy who sat in front of me during my after-school : Chinese classes. 我八年級的時候第一次遇到一個超討厭自己是亞洲人的亞洲人( self-hating Asian) 那個人是個韓國女學生,離我的學校(全部都是白種加拿大人學校)很近 因為我們都是(異性戀)女生,所以我們常常在一起討論可愛男生的話題 當我談到我和我中文補習班前面的男同學談過戀愛的時候,他的反應讓我終生難忘 : “Oh, so he’s an Asian guy,” she said dismissively. Seeing the confused : look on my face, she quickly added, “It’s just that they’re always so : nerdy, you know? And most of them are kind of ugly, too.” 「挖,他是個亞洲男欸。」 她嫌惡地說,當她看到我臉上的困惑時,她又再說了一句 「喔我只是說亞洲男每個都是書呆子,你知道吧?」 「還有喔,他們大部分都長得超醜的」 : My friend wasn’t alone in holding these views. Since then, I’ve listened to : countless Asian women sing their excuses for why they refused to date within : their own race. Between the never-ending chorus of “It’d be like dating my : own brother” or “I just happen to have more in common with white guys,” I : began to understand that these excuses were simply an expression of their : internalized racism. Rather than confront these feelings, they chose to craft : a narrative where Asian men were too [fill in the blank with an undesirable : characteristic of your choice], thus absolving them of personal : responsibility for their dating decisions. 我這個朋友不是唯一持這種論點的人,自從那次經驗之後, 我就常聽到數不清的亞洲女在那邊找一堆藉口不跟亞洲男約會 大部分的理由都是 「那像是跟我哥約會一樣」、「我覺得我跟白人比較多共同處可以聊」 我開始了解這些藉口其實只是他們自己的內在種族歧視 他們不願意去面對這種感覺,而是寧願去誹謗亞洲男人總是太「不吸引人」 來幫自己不想跟他們約會找藉口 : Of course, on closer inspection, it was clear that their rationalizations : were riddled with inconsistencies. For one thing, in order for their : collective testimonies to be true, Asian men would have to occupy a very : paradoxical position on the spectrum of male undesirability—vilified as : patriarchal overlords by one woman and then mocked for being geeky losers by : the next. (這段我不太確定翻的對不對) 當然喇,仔細想想這很明顯他們的這種種族歧視充滿了矛盾點 比如說啦,這群女人為了讓她們的共同理由成真, 首先他們要讓亞洲男是非常不受歡迎的男性,然後被女生團體會討厭他們 再被汙名化亞洲男成宅宅魯蛇 : Moreover, while these women vehemently resisted being labeled themselves, : they couldn’t recognize their own hypocrisy in stereotyping other groups. : Take, for example, this article written by an international student from Hong : Kong attending university in the UK. She discusses the ethnic stereotypes she : has encountered and ultimately reaffirms that people are just “individuals : with variety after all.” She then ends her piece by remarking that Chinese : men are, in fact, “smaller” than white men. 再來,當這群女人堅持不想自己被貼標籤的時候, 她們其實沒有發現自己很偽善的幫另外一群人貼標籤 舉個例子來講,以下這篇文章是一個香港的國際學生到英國的大學的時候寫的 她討論了一些她遇到的種族刻板印象,最後重申其實大家都有「個體差異」 可是她在結束演講的時候卻又說了 通常「中國人的雞雞比白人小」 : This article ties into a larger trend of Asian women publicly vocalizing : disdain for their Asian male counterparts. Gina Choe and Jenny An both felt : compelled to broadcast their Asian-exclusionary dating preferences on public : platforms. Comedian Esther Ku routinely exploits (false) stereotypes of Asian : men during her shows. A couple months ago, she even tweeted a video thanking : United Airlines for assaulting Dr. David Dao. I want to be clear: there’s : nothing wrong with choosing to be in an interracial relationship. There’s : everything wrong with having to insult the men of your own race when you do. 我這篇文章主要是在描述現在亞洲女普遍有種潮流, 她們喜歡公開的發表鄙視亞洲男的言論。 Gina Choe 和 Jenny An 都有公開發表自己不想和亞洲男約會的言論 喜劇演員Esther Ku在她的秀裡面常常講一些亞洲男刻版印象梗 幾個月前她甚至開心的發了一篇感謝聯合航空打爆亞洲男醫生的推特 我希望她弄清楚一件事,選擇跨種族戀愛沒有錯,但是污辱和你同族的人就是超大錯 : Our current racial climate is inherently hostile and discourages anything : that fosters a strong sense of self-esteem among all POC living in the West. : Whiteness is often the unspoken prerequisite to success and respect, which : incentivizes minorities to seek further inclusion into white society. For : some Asian women, this involves disassociating themselves entirely from Asian : men. These women are certainly not representative of the average Asian woman : from any country. However, we also can’t deny that this vocal minority has : swallowed up a disproportionate amount of room in what little space is : granted for our voices. And there’s been minimal effort on our part to : censure them. 我們現在討論的種族氛圍其實已經隱含一些對於非西方種族的敵意 並且不重視這些人的尊嚴 通常少數民族都會被鼓勵要像白人一樣, 因為白人通常都被認為是比較成功而且容易受尊敬的一群人 對一些亞洲女來說,這種氛圍讓她們不想要跟亞洲男在一起 這些女人當然不能代表任何國家的亞洲女的共同意識 但是我們也不能否認這些想法其實正在讓社會越來越不協調 我們至少應該要去譴責這種想法 : Taken in the collective, the actions of these individuals illustrate the : broader failure of our community to facilitate open discussion on issues like : internalized racism. As a diverse and immigrant-heavy population, the : development of our racial consciousness remains in its fledgling state. The : foundation of our activism, therefore, depends on our ability to solidify a : positive Asian identity—and we can start by calling out the self-haters : among us. : (Written by Yuenting J. Yuenting is a third generation Chinese-Canadian : currently attending university.) 這些人代表著我們社會對於種族平等的氛圍很失敗 我們(美國/加拿大)雖然是個多元且多移民的社會,但對於種族平等意識還是很低落 我們的目標是希望亞洲人能夠團結起來 第一步就是先叫那群討厭自己種族的亞洲女閉嘴開始 ( self-hating Asian) (作者為Yuenting J. 她是一個三年級的中裔加拿大人,現在正在念大學) : 粗略的意思是部分亞洲女性找了許多藉口來汙衊貶低亞洲男性 : 將沙文主義、魯蛇、甚至是種族歧視的字眼都莫須有的套在亞洲男人身上 : 將亞洲男性貶低的一無是處好讓她們喜歡白人的行為合理化 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 219.68.236.129 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1521476236.A.93D.html

03/20 00:17, 6年前 , 1F
※ 編輯: Poke5566 (219.68.236.129), 03/20/2018 00:21:24

03/20 00:18, 6年前 , 2F
現在正在念大學現在正在念大學現在正在念大學現在正在念大學
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03/20 00:21, 6年前 , 3F
這作者還是只有四分之一加州人血統的美國人
03/20 00:21, 3F

03/20 00:33, 6年前 , 4F
有翻先推
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03/20 00:37, 6年前 , 5F
上一篇急著找這雜誌沒人看,這邊留言說作者只是大學生,
03/20 00:37, 5F

03/20 00:37, 6年前 , 6F
科科
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03/20 00:39, 6年前 , 7F
推,
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03/20 00:42, 6年前 , 8F
你第四段那裡有點問題「為了讓這些亞洲女性的論證為
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03/20 00:42, 6年前 , 9F
真,首先亞洲男性必須在光譜上扮演一個矛盾的角色—
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03/20 00:42, 6年前 , 10F
同時被污名化成極端父權主義(光譜一端)但又同時被
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03/20 00:43, 6年前 , 11F
女性取笑成書呆/宅男的角色(光譜另一端)」意思應
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03/20 00:43, 6年前 , 12F
該比較像這樣
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03/20 01:39, 6年前 , 13F
如果這算是歧視,那版上整天喊奶大奶大,也要是歧視了
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03/20 02:00, 6年前 , 14F
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03/20 02:38, 6年前 , 15F
這本雜誌有多少人看? 作者的身分地位? 這些是重點嗎?
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03/20 02:39, 6年前 , 16F
要打筆戰就直接對著文章打 就事論事不怎麼難吧
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03/20 03:44, 6年前 , 17F
奇怪了 念大學不能投書嗎? 母豬不念大學還不是可以塞洋屌
03/20 03:44, 17F

03/20 03:46, 6年前 , 18F
版上仇女宅不知在高潮什麼,這篇文章也只說明了為什麼亞
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03/20 03:46, 6年前 , 19F
洲男性被女生討厭的原因而已啊。有翻有推。
03/20 03:46, 19F

03/20 05:05, 6年前 , 20F
樓上一直發表仇男的言論欸... 是有多討厭台灣男生呀
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03/20 07:23, 6年前 , 21F
推翻譯
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03/20 07:51, 6年前 , 22F
自助餐教授會森77啊 嘴巴說平等 但還是要上嫁下娶啊 這才公平
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03/20 08:18, 6年前 , 23F
台女都有自己懂的英文,台女會堅持翻成自己的版本
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03/20 08:27, 6年前 , 24F

03/20 08:27, 6年前 , 25F
為什麼亞洲女性比亞洲男性受歡迎!?
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03/20 10:00, 6年前 , 26F
推翻譯
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03/20 10:21, 6年前 , 27F
推翻譯
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03/20 11:05, 6年前 , 28F
自助餐就是因為無法反駁內容 才只能想辦法針對發文者
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03/20 11:07, 6年前 , 29F
就跟某些人在抹黑柯P一樣 這個例子很淺顯易懂吧
03/20 11:07, 29F

03/20 12:03, 6年前 , 30F
"因為粉專的讚很少,所以我不信!"
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03/20 12:11, 6年前 , 31F
作者仇女
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03/20 13:12, 6年前 , 32F
推認真翻譯
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03/20 13:27, 6年前 , 33F
推認真翻譯
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03/20 13:57, 6年前 , 34F
謝謝
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03/20 14:17, 6年前 , 35F
會稱讚聯航打爆醫師乘客的,根本腦子有問題阿
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03/20 14:48, 6年前 , 36F
ㄛO離我學校超近,是接近全白人學校,意思差很多..
03/20 14:48, 36F

03/20 15:07, 6年前 , 37F
怎麼翻譯的版本就沒噓了?難道?
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03/20 19:03, 6年前 , 38F
third generation
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