Re: [情報] Mercedes就比賽重新開始提出兩項異議均遭

看板FORMULA1作者Vincent0312 (Vincent)時間4年前 (2021/12/13 21:17)推噓82(83推 1噓 303→)

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做為一個專攻英文的車迷看一下FIA 2021年賽事規則「2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_13_-_2021-12-08」也是相當合理的以下針對賽事規則48.12條原文貼上 https://imgur.com/a/exGabjP.jpg

If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car. This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap. If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system. 第一段不用說大家都討論了相當久基本上沒甚麼問題問題在於第二段對於「Lapped Car」的定義依照字面定義來看 Lapped Car指的是在安全車出場的同時「那些當圈已被套圈且第二次跨過第一條Safety Car Line的套圈車」如果是以這樣的邏輯來看賽會應該說明那些套圈車是跨過了第一條Safety Car Line才對但依照過往案例來看賽會大部分都會對所有套圈車進行Unlap 不過Michael Masi的做法以及在判決書上未有顯著說明的方式加上拿天條來判罰似乎不像是Charlie Whiting時代賽會執行的方式各位版友有何意見呢? ※ 引述《klpp26549871 ()》之銘言： : 某些人還是很confuse : Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car : is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the : safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap. : 48.12是第二段如以上 : 簡單白話文意思就是 : 這些被准許unlap的lapped cars只要過leader : Clerk of course可以依據場上安全與否來決定是否要多帶一圈 : Clerk of course就是stewards/Race director : 所以一旦他認定安全性沒問題 : 他把SC叫進去並沒有衝突48.12的這一段 : 因為這條但書是"除非是必要的，SC才要多帶一圈" : 但是這個但書並沒有成立，因為Masi判定這些車先去繞圈不會影響比賽安全 : 所以SC直接in : 結論是48.12的解釋完全合乎規則 : ※ 引述《yimaymay (Xuan)》之銘言： : : 基本上完全沒有動用到15.3，因為48.13就可以解決掉了， : : 15.3只是RedBull的Arguments裡面的其中一點。 : : 48.13原文是這樣 : : When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car : : the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all Competitors via : : the official messaging system and the car's orange lights will be : : extinguished. This will be the signal to the Competitors and drivers that : : it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap. : : "Will be"表示只要"Safety car in this lap"的訊息亮起， : : safety car就必須要進pit lane了 : : 用48.12來爭也未必合理，因為48.12的重點應是在第一段 : : "If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message : : 'lapped cars may now overtake' has been sent to all competitors via the : : official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader : : will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car." : : Merc覺得有爭議的一段，原文是這樣 : : Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car : : is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the : : safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap. : : 這段的意思是在說Clerk有權力去判斷場上是否安全，否則可以把safety car留在場上， : : 重點並不是套圈車過了還要過一圈safety car才可以進去。 : : 所以基本上這條是為了讓套圈車超過安全車而存在的。 : : 不是在說safety car要帶完多少圈才能進pit lane。 : : 就很像棒球規則啦，好球帶規則是 : : the area over home plate from the midpoint between a batter's shoulders : : and the top of the uniform pants -- when the batter is in his stance and : : prepared to swing at a pitched ball -- and a point just below the kneecap. : : 有哪一場比賽完完全全follow這個文字？那是不是每一場比賽都要收掉， : : 基本上這就是比賽的一部份。 --

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