Re: [iwin] 衛福部3/21會議 確定不直播

看板C_Chat作者 (Chika)時間1月前 (2024/03/16 23:50), 編輯推噓19(24560)
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想借這串問一下,本來想說寫篇英文文章發到Reddit之類的論壇看能不能鬧更大一點(?) 結果寫完了想到自己其實也不常混歐美論壇不太懂那邊生態,所以不知道到底該發去哪裡才 好XDD 有版友能給點建議嗎? 附上寫好的文章 Taiwanese people's freedom of reading/watching virtual works is threatened The government of Taiwan (R.O.C.) is planning on releasing a new policy. To expl ain it, people who own, create, or spread virtual artworks might be subject to d isproportionately harsh penalties (up to seven-year sentence) if the government subjectively considers the art works to be inappropriate content, particularly t hose depicting child pornography. The government claims that it is to decrease t he rate for child prostitution to happen; however, the policy is completely ridi culous in my opinion for the reasons below. First and foremost, there is no clue that virtual artworks are connected to actu al child prostitution. In fact, refer to the study carried out by the experts at Sexologisk Klinik(*), virtual child pornography does not lead to real child pro stitution. There is also a substantial body of research showing that violence is not related to violent video games. Based on the facts, I believe there is a hi gher chance that virtual artworks are not responsible for any real world crimes, including child prostitution. For instance, Japan has the lowest reported rates of sexual assault and child prostitution despite having a thriving virtual porn industry, including virtual child pornography. Engagement with virtual artworks may satisfy certain desires, potentially reducing the likelihood of harmful beh aviors towards real individuals. Overall, it seems to me that virtual artworks d o not result in real child prostitution. Given this point, declaring owning virt ual artworks a crime would be absolutely inadequate. Secondly, there are no REAL children being abused just because someone owns or c reates virtual artworks, as long as the artworks are totally fictions. On the ot her hand, the freedom of the owner or the creator would be severely harmed. Once the law is implemented, rather than real criminals, individuals without crimina l intent are punished. This is clearly beyond the scope of government authority. Actually, perpetrators of child prostitution in Taiwan always tend to be given lenient sentences (usually lower than four-year sentences), which incites great anger among our citizens. I suppose it would be a better idea for the government to deal with real-world child prostitutes rather than banning virtual artworks that are not proven to be related. Finally, whether the art works comply with the standard is totally decided by th e government, regardless of the background or the character set of the works. Wi thout any criteria, the policy will undoubtedly become the tool for the governme nt to control the freedom of speech. For example, if an active user on a forum o pposes an inappropriate policy the government wants to promulgate, which upsets the government, then the government would be able to sue the user because the us er has posted a picture of a child, which does not even have to be erotic in pub lic view. This will gradually silence all the opinions against the government, a nd severely undermine freedom of speech in the long term. Despite all of the unjustified aspects of the policy, the government will still hold a meeting to impose stricter regulations on virtual artworks on 21st, March . Moreover, the whole meeting would be held privately, making all of us afraid t hat the meeting will be rigged. That is why I write down and post this article. I hope that we can supervise the government together, preventing it from going f urther on the road of dictatorship. Here are some of the Taiwanese people’s responses to this incident. ACGN creator's rights promotion association: https://www.facebook.com/ACGNCRPA/? paipv=0&eav=AfbiMYSvAHueldor5H6Vbpu0kHv3Dn5gimkLEjGKmL9i1LNGBTR4UpBiTUcVzTbYvVk& _rdr ACGN creator’s issues forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuqokjptclQ&t=2s&a
b_channel=%E5%8B%95%E6%BC%AB%E5%B7%A5%E6%9C%83 * refer to https://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cart oons-and-child-sex-abuse/ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.200.12.122 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1710604247.A.235.html

03/16 23:52, 1月前 , 1F
不不不,牽扯到兒色,還是不要貼過去好了
03/16 23:52, 1F

03/16 23:52, 1月前 , 2F
不會== 他國事務
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03/16 23:54, 1月前 , 3F
你知道全世界禁止虛擬兒色的的國家很多嗎 持有也有罪
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03/16 23:54, 1月前 , 4F
換作是你,確定會管遠在歐洲完全沒聽過小島上面的事嗎?
03/16 23:54, 4F

03/16 23:54, 1月前 , 5F
別,那邊一聽到兒色這兩個字就牙起來了
03/16 23:54, 5F

03/16 23:55, 1月前 , 6F
尼不知道reddit是左膠大本營嗎?
03/16 23:55, 6F

03/16 23:56, 1月前 , 7F
而且他們連自己都自身難保了,還可能引來髒東西介入
03/16 23:56, 7F

03/16 23:56, 1月前 , 8F
歪果仁大多數反應:「泰國不意外」我猜這樣吧
03/16 23:56, 8F

03/16 23:56, 1月前 , 9F
不要喔,你這樣只會引來一堆外神
03/16 23:56, 9F

03/16 23:57, 1月前 , 10F
就算找到偏右翼的sub大概也懶得鳥黃猴島的事情
03/16 23:57, 10F

03/16 23:57, 1月前 , 11F
你翻成日文還比較有用,翻成英文是要助攻iwin是不是?
03/16 23:57, 11F

03/16 23:59, 1月前 , 12F
欸 感覺你貼過去反而會幫iwin方增加隊友喔
03/16 23:59, 12F

03/17 00:00, 1月前 , 13F
小心到時他們直接拿支持他們的外國人言論背書
03/17 00:00, 13F

03/17 00:02, 1月前 , 14F
了解,老實說自己原本對歐美那邊也沒抱很大期待只是我弟
03/17 00:02, 14F

03/17 00:02, 1月前 , 15F
很想做點什麼所以還是試著寫了QQ 感謝版友們指教~
03/17 00:02, 15F

03/17 00:03, 1月前 , 16F
唯一能想到會有援軍的是reddit/VisualNovels板
03/17 00:03, 16F

03/17 00:07, 1月前 , 17F
翻日文可能比較有用
03/17 00:07, 17F

03/17 00:07, 1月前 , 18F
不過你文章intro寫太短 事件來龍去脈沒先完整交代
03/17 00:07, 18F

03/17 00:07, 1月前 , 19F
就開始闡述反對理念 可能不會有很好效果
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03/17 00:13, 1月前 , 20F
你是想找SJW來出征嗎
03/17 00:13, 20F

03/17 00:13, 1月前 , 21F
感覺要完整交代會長到哭更沒有人願意看完哈哈哈,應該就
03/17 00:13, 21F

03/17 00:13, 1月前 , 22F
先放棄了但還是感謝n大建議~
03/17 00:13, 22F

03/17 00:17, 1月前 , 23F
你找歐美幹嘛?恩不里居那群人就是用歐美的抄來台灣誒?
03/17 00:17, 23F

03/17 00:18, 1月前 , 24F
ACG的最大隊友就日本 早就已經找來當外援
03/17 00:18, 24F

03/17 00:38, 1月前 , 25F
歐美是恩不理居友軍喔
03/17 00:38, 25F

03/17 00:41, 1月前 , 26F
歐美:管不夠嚴 不行
03/17 00:41, 26F

03/17 00:48, 1月前 , 27F
貼那沒用== 而且反而會害到這邊
03/17 00:48, 27F

03/17 00:53, 1月前 , 28F
歐美普遍不了解ACG也系統性歧視ACG文化 強烈不建議
03/17 00:53, 28F

03/17 01:31, 1月前 , 29F
歐美就是這樣的玩法,沒用吧XD
03/17 01:31, 29F

03/17 01:45, 1月前 , 30F
他們參戰打宅就好笑了
03/17 01:45, 30F

03/17 01:53, 1月前 , 31F
想告洋狀喔 你以為人家鳥你一個東亞小島在想什麼?
03/17 01:53, 31F

03/17 01:55, 1月前 , 32F
上面有多少個真的有 Reddit 帳號的?怎麼看起來你們的敘
03/17 01:55, 32F

03/17 01:55, 1月前 , 33F
述跟我知道的根本是平行世界?
03/17 01:55, 33F

03/17 01:57, 1月前 , 34F
歐美現在就對兒色很敏感,請鬼拿藥單,不要看什麼中國
03/17 01:57, 34F

03/17 01:57, 1月前 , 35F
俄國推的法條歐美反對圖卡這種誤導性質的導致認為歐美
03/17 01:57, 35F

03/17 01:57, 1月前 , 36F
是隊友,歐美說白只是政治上反對中俄推的法條但他們本
03/17 01:57, 36F

03/17 01:57, 1月前 , 37F
身就對兒色有意見的
03/17 01:57, 37F

03/17 02:02, 1月前 , 38F
他們會覺得現在iwin玩法很正常
03/17 02:02, 38F

03/17 02:03, 1月前 , 39F
只能說樓上有些版友要造謠也造的像一點 光是 Reddit 的看
03/17 02:03, 39F

03/17 02:03, 1月前 , 40F
板跟動漫有關的不計專版都至少五六個了
03/17 02:03, 40F

03/17 02:09, 1月前 , 41F
而且就算有支持他們連自己國內反兒色風氣都控制不住了
03/17 02:09, 41F

03/17 02:09, 1月前 , 42F
…… 要怎麼管到台灣去
03/17 02:09, 42F

03/17 02:11, 1月前 , 43F
看看精美都Gumroad
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03/17 02:11, 1月前 , 44F

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03/17 02:13, 1月前 , 46F

03/17 02:15, 1月前 , 47F
以原 Po 的文章來說要發在 Reddit 沒什麼問題,每個子板
03/17 02:15, 47F

03/17 02:15, 1月前 , 48F
(subreddit) 的聲量跟風向其實差很多,但比較常上 Trendi
03/17 02:15, 48F

03/17 02:15, 1月前 , 49F
ng 的正常人其實為數絕對不是少數
03/17 02:15, 49F

03/17 04:36, 1月前 , 50F
你他媽的有點國際觀好嗎?
03/17 04:36, 50F

03/17 06:59, 1月前 , 51F
歐美就是對兒色最敏感的 你這是送槍給iwin
03/17 06:59, 51F

03/17 06:59, 1月前 , 52F
唯一能找的只有日本
03/17 06:59, 52F

03/17 08:19, 1月前 , 53F
美國就是一邊爆發狂歡島事件一邊要打擊二次元兒色的地方
03/17 08:19, 53F

03/17 08:36, 1月前 , 54F
Reddit有滿多二次元色圖板的,那邊也很多鄉民啦
03/17 08:36, 54F

03/17 08:40, 1月前 , 55F
發到日本還有可能,歐美?這本來就在禁吧
03/17 08:40, 55F

03/17 09:01, 1月前 , 56F
X大這就是我一開始想問的,不過看其他版友反應也怕一個
03/17 09:01, 56F

03/17 09:01, 1月前 , 57F
不慎讓事情更複雜所以還是先算了,感謝X大建議~~
03/17 09:01, 57F

03/17 09:22, 1月前 , 58F
說個諷刺一點的,你搞不好找大陸、俄羅斯網友還比較
03/17 09:22, 58F

03/17 09:22, 1月前 , 59F
有辦法得到支持。儘管他們有兒色提案,但很明顯是在
03/17 09:22, 59F

03/17 09:22, 1月前 , 60F
讓其他歐美國家無法下台階
03/17 09:22, 60F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 61F
抱歉,我上面噴完以後忘記補上一個實質的建議了,話只說
03/17 09:29, 61F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 62F
一半
03/17 09:29, 62F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 63F
實際上各個板塊的討論風向都有差,且你去 Anime / Comic
03/17 09:29, 63F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 64F
的討論區大部分人都是正經討論動漫畫,政治偷渡梗不會像
03/17 09:29, 64F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 65F
這裡這麼多
03/17 09:29, 65F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 66F
不過我認為值得去這些大板塊先做一些 survey,目前我所知
03/17 09:29, 66F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 67F
最有可能找到同溫層支持者的是 r/manga 或 r/anime 版,
03/17 09:29, 67F

03/17 09:29, 1月前 , 68F
前者就是標準的日漫討論區也是最自由的
03/17 09:29, 68F

03/17 09:34, 1月前 , 69F

03/17 09:37, 1月前 , 70F
你可以看一下過去赤松老師在上文被討論的內容就大概知道
03/17 09:37, 70F

03/17 09:37, 1月前 , 71F
了。
03/17 09:37, 71F

03/17 09:37, 1月前 , 72F
只能說西恰喜歡造謠不查證的人是真的不少,看看之前小歐
03/17 09:37, 72F

03/17 09:37, 1月前 , 73F
盟那篇文章就知道許多人只是靠刻板印象、風向感覺在討論
03/17 09:37, 73F

03/17 09:37, 1月前 , 74F
事情。(我沒有把我自己完全排除在外)
03/17 09:37, 74F

03/17 09:38, 1月前 , 75F
但總結就是我認為原Po既然都打這麼長了,我認為有鑑於上
03/17 09:38, 75F

03/17 09:38, 1月前 , 76F
面的文章的成功案例,你應該嘗試發發看。
03/17 09:38, 76F

03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 77F
另外,由於 Reddit 的板跟文章實在太多,要找相關討論的
03/17 09:44, 77F

03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 78F
關鍵字蠻重要的,附上我認為您一定用得到的關鍵字:
03/17 09:44, 78F

03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 79F
political correctness, Artistic Freedom, Creative Fre
03/17 09:44, 79F

03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 80F
edom, SJW, creativity.
03/17 09:44, 80F

03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 81F
其中 Creative Freedom 會是能找到最多符合原 Po 想找的
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03/17 09:44, 1月前 , 82F
討論的選項。
03/17 09:44, 82F

03/17 10:53, 1月前 , 83F
外國現在已經極端到歧視白人不是歧視了,並不是國外的
03/17 10:53, 83F

03/17 10:53, 1月前 , 84F
或西方的就每件事都是好的
03/17 10:53, 84F

03/17 20:13, 1月前 , 85F
感謝X大提供資訊~~看了一下r/manga的鄉民確實都對創作自
03/17 20:13, 85F

03/17 20:13, 1月前 , 86F
由相關議題相當友善,我先試著把文章修得更著重創作自由
03/17 20:13, 86F

03/17 20:13, 1月前 , 87F
部分看看好了
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03/17 20:31, 1月前 , 88F
英文圈可是對兒色異常敏感的地方,你怎麼會想翻譯成英文
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03/17 23:28, 1月前 , 89F
你是不是樂子人啊?
03/17 23:28, 89F
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