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※ [本文轉錄自 movie 看板 #1aQRubj3 ] 作者: KingKingCold (お元気ですか?私元気です) 看板: movie 標題: [新聞] 投資者狀告迪士尼 指控"用詭計轉嫁成本" 時間: Sun May 21 14:45:54 2023 新聞網址: https://reurl.cc/GezzkW THR的報導: Disney Hit With Investor Suit Over Alleged “Cost-Shifting Scheme” In Streaming Division Investors take issue with former CEO Bob Chapek's optimism about Disney+'s growth and expected profitability. BY WINSTON CHO MAY 15, 2023 4:45PM Disney’s lofty subscriber growth and profitability targets for its streaming service have drawn a lawsuit from investors who claim that the entertainment giant misled them about the extent of its losses. A suit filed on May 12 in California federal court accuses Disney of engaging in a fraudulent scheme designed to hide Disney+ costs and make forecasts that it would be profitable by 2024 believable. It takes aim at ousted CEO Bob Chapek’s alleged “cost-shifting scheme” to first air certain shows meant to be Disney+ originals on legacy TV networks to conceal the platform “ suffering decelerating subscriber growth, losses, and cost overruns,” the suit says. The suit details Disney’s pivot to prioritizing streaming amid the pandemic. While most of the company’s businesses suffered as its theme parks, resorts and cruise lines were shuttered and movie theaters were forced to close, subscriptions to Disney+ rapidly took off. Against this backdrop, Chapek decided to “go all in” on the platform, announcing a major reorganization of the company’s media and entertainment operations. Under the new reorg, distribution and commercialization activities were centralized into the Disney Media and Entertainment Distribution (DMED) arm, which essentially became responsible for the monetization of all content globally. Investors say that the reorganization represented a “dramatic departure from Disney’s historical reporting structure and was hugely controversial within the Company because it took power away from creative content-focused executives and centralized it in a new reporting group” led by Chapek lieutenant Kareem Daniel, who alongside his mentor, “exerted near complete control over the company’s strategic decisions around content,” according to the complaint. From December 2020 to November 2022, Chapek and Daniel repeatedly misled investors about the success of Disney+ by concealing the true costs of the platform and the difficulty of maintaining robust subscriber growth in addition to claiming that it was on track to achieve profitability with 230 to 260 million paid global subscribers by the end of 2024, the suit claims. This includes an allegedly fraudulent plan to debut certain shows that were supposed to be Disney+ originals, including The Mysterious Benedict Society and Doogie Kameāloha, M.D., on its TV networks, like the Disney channel. “By doing so, a significant portion of the marketing and production costs of the shows were shifted away from Disney+ and on to the legacy platform,” reads the complaint. The suit says the plan was a “motivating factor” behind the reorganization, which was announced a month before The Mysterious Benedict Society went into production. It also takes issues with statements from Chapek in December 2020 that touted gains. “Disney+ has exceeded our wildest expectations with 86.8 million subscribers as of December 2,” he said. “This success has bolstered our confidence in our continued acceleration towards a DTC-first business model.” Chapek additionally discussed how the company’s new distribution and commercialization team empowers creative teams to “make the high-quality branded entertainment they believe will resonate with audiences.” The slides that accompanied the presentation reiterated the company’s estimate Disney+ would be profitable by the end of 2024. These new forecast represented an “ astounding three-fold increase from prior estimates without any degradation in expected profitability for the segment,” according to the complaint. After acknowledging that subscriber growth had slowed in 2021, Disney in November 2022 reported that it missed analyst estimates by wide margins on revenue, sales and earnings. The company’s direct to consumer arm, which includes Disney+, ESPN+, Hulu and Hotstar, reported an operating loss of $1.47 billion — up from a $630 million loss in the same quarter the year prior. Disney’s stock plummeted by more than 13 percent. After Bob Iger returned to lead the company two weeks later, he made clear that an important component of restoring Disney’s success would be to return power back to creative executives, including distribution decisions. The suit points to the statement as evidence that Chapek’s comments on his reorganization were meant to mislead investors. It also argues that Disney’s fiscal second quarter earnings last week, which showed that Disney+ lost subscribers for the second quarter in a row, is further proof “confirming that the 2024 Disney+ targets had never been achievable.” Chapek, Daniel and CFO Christine McCarthy were named in the complaint. “We are aware of the complaint and intend to defend vigorously against it in court,” said Disney in a statement. May 16, 9:34 a.m. This story has been updated with Disney’s statement to The Hollywood Reporter. ============================================================================ 非常長的報導 所以我就長話短說 能精簡就精簡 簡單說明一下就好。 簡單說,就是迪士尼的投資者要告迪士尼, 指控迪士尼用欺詐的手段,藉由把D+原創影視作品的成本用"電視播映授權費用"攤平, 誤導他們串流原創作品沒有賠錢甚至賺錢的假象。 5月12號加州聯邦法院受理了一件圖謀詐欺案件, 控訴迪士尼的串流平台試圖藉由把, 本應在D+平台首映的D+原創作品,轉到旗下電視台或子串流平台首播 讓這些電視台(例如迪士尼頻道)與串流平台(例如HULU)給付高額的授權費用給D+, 然後用這個授權費用來打平成本, 製造這些內容沒有虧錢的,讓D+將在2024年開始盈利轉正的說法變得更有說服力的假象。 控訴的投資客把矛頭直指前CEO Bob Chapek的"成本轉移計劃", 也就是這個詐欺圖謀的主要計畫內容, 並且控訴這是在隱藏迪士尼串流平台面臨的重大問題, 包含訂閱戶流失、平台損失,以及成本失控的現象。 然後報導提到,從2020年12月到2022年11月, Chapek跟他的副手卡林姆丹尼爾多次誤導投資者對D+的前景與營利性, 藉由隱藏平台真實支出跟隱瞞訂閱用戶的黏著程度等關鍵資訊, 誤導投資者對D+有不切實際的過分樂觀判斷,讓他們以為2024年底將會轉虧為盈。 除了這種把製作與行銷成本大量轉移到旗下電視網與子串流平台的做法之外, Chapek還畫大餅,聲稱迪士尼的新發行與行銷團隊能支援迪士尼 "提供能與觀眾產生共鳴、高品牌價值的娛樂內容"。 最後報導以迪士尼串流平台(D+ Hulu ESPN+ Hotstar)在2022年11月的報告中, 營運損失14.7億美金,與前一年同比季度損失(6.3億美金)比,損失持續擴大作結。 同時提到迪士尼的股價慘跌13%。 ========================================================================== 我其實能理解投資者的不爽 因為Chapek吹D+營利性這件事情其實發生在2020年12月 你如果看迪士尼股價就會發現, 迪士尼股價在2020年底開始迎來一波大漲潮, 導致2021年3月迎來了股價的高峰,幾乎到了200元。 也就是說這邊衝高的股價是因為公司的說明, 讓投資人對D+未來前景與營利非常樂觀導致的。 而現在迪士尼股價在哪裡呢?? 91元 等於是被當韭菜腰斬了, 而如果當初的樂觀前景真的是迪士尼騙出來的, 無怪乎他們會想提告。 其實電影上迪士尼也搞了類似的東西, 例如雷神索爾4,帳面上其實是有賺錢的, 但是如果你查細項,有大量的收入來自於串流平台與電視播映授權費用, 如果是像以前,賣電影授權給網飛,賺網飛的錢,那確實可以算是收入, 問題是現在迪士尼已經是自已作莊, 是迪士尼自己的串流平台與電視台,花大錢買迪士尼自己的電影, 這種作法讓你看到雷神索爾4有小賺, 說白了只是把虧損轉嫁到其他地方而已。 都是套路阿~~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 115.43.29.141 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/movie/M.1684651557.A.B43.html ※ 編輯: KingKingCold (115.43.29.141 臺灣), 05/21/2023 14:48:35

05/21 14:50, 2年前 , 1F
美媒:巨石強森團隊故意外流《黑亞當》財務報表
05/21 14:50, 1F

05/21 14:50, 2年前 , 2F
也不是特例了
05/21 14:50, 2F
※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: KingKingCold (115.43.29.141 臺灣), 05/21/2023 14:55:28

05/21 14:57, 2年前 , 3F
虧損的話沒辦法對SJW交代吧
05/21 14:57, 3F

05/21 14:57, 2年前 , 4F
西方最強法務部出動
05/21 14:57, 4F

05/21 14:58, 2年前 , 5F
叫關係公司去買母公司的產品是吧
05/21 14:58, 5F

05/21 14:58, 2年前 , 6F
就自己採購自己的老招
05/21 14:58, 6F

05/21 14:58, 2年前 , 7F
所以是關係公司/子公司賠錢嗎?
05/21 14:58, 7F

05/21 14:59, 2年前 , 8F
就自己拍片賣給自己 然後自己給大錢授權 看起來就是拍的
05/21 14:59, 8F

05/21 14:59, 2年前 , 9F
片好像有點賺頭
05/21 14:59, 9F

05/21 14:59, 2年前 , 10F
法務:齁齁 朝我走過來了嗎
05/21 14:59, 10F

05/21 15:00, 2年前 , 11F
乾坤大挪移商法
05/21 15:00, 11F

05/21 15:01, 2年前 , 12F
不一定賠錢,可能盈虧轉移而已,但是要是牽扯到移轉訂價
05/21 15:01, 12F

05/21 15:01, 2年前 , 13F
,國稅局就會有興趣了
05/21 15:01, 13F

05/21 15:03, 2年前 , 14F
看起來應該是賠錢阿 他說雷神4小賺但是很多錢都是迪士尼
05/21 15:03, 14F

05/21 15:04, 2年前 , 15F
自己給的 等於少了迪士尼給的那些應該就是會虧了
05/21 15:04, 15F

05/21 15:05, 2年前 , 16F
少賺就是虧 不值得那麼貴...所以就腰斬了
05/21 15:05, 16F

05/21 15:06, 2年前 , 17F
這就是會計的手段啊
05/21 15:06, 17F

05/21 15:07, 2年前 , 18F
某國捷運也是這樣玩的
05/21 15:07, 18F

05/21 15:09, 2年前 , 19F
好萊塢的招牌手段 一堆大熱門的電影看財報都是賠錢的
05/21 15:09, 19F

05/21 15:09, 2年前 , 20F
老鼠法務陪你們玩到底喔,啾咪
05/21 15:09, 20F

05/21 15:10, 2年前 , 21F
也不是只有好萊塢 應該說電影圈很多都這樣玩
05/21 15:10, 21F

05/21 15:12, 2年前 , 22F
自體循環
05/21 15:12, 22F

05/21 15:14, 2年前 , 23F
可是這轉嫁成本做法是延續Iger的而已
05/21 15:14, 23F

05/21 15:15, 2年前 , 24F
最好告一告把Iger也咬出來 很多捧Iger真他媽笑死
05/21 15:15, 24F

05/21 15:17, 2年前 , 25F
就關係人交易
05/21 15:17, 25F

05/21 15:19, 2年前 , 26F
做帳的藝術
05/21 15:19, 26F

05/21 15:23, 2年前 , 27F
所以是作帳?
05/21 15:23, 27F

05/21 15:24, 2年前 , 28F
就是在吹泡泡而已 滑坡一下就是拿以前投資者的錢攤現
05/21 15:24, 28F

05/21 15:24, 2年前 , 29F
在的爛片騙下一批投資者做新的爛片
05/21 15:24, 29F

05/21 15:29, 2年前 , 30F
賺錢的時候 都沒人懷疑過 笑死...
05/21 15:29, 30F

05/21 15:29, 2年前 , 31F
這又不是新招
05/21 15:29, 31F

05/21 15:29, 2年前 , 32F
左手出右手進,那左手怎麼辦
05/21 15:29, 32F

05/21 15:31, 2年前 , 33F
搞教育片就是在想這個啊,反正有地方轉嫁,就不怕賣得差
05/21 15:31, 33F

05/21 15:34, 2年前 , 34F
通常是左手那家的持股人會靠北
05/21 15:34, 34F

05/21 15:35, 2年前 , 35F
現在是右手那家的持股人說你在騙 讓我誤算估值
05/21 15:35, 35F

05/21 15:37, 2年前 , 36F
告的贏有鬼,每家公司都會做成本轉嫁,除非迪士尼做假
05/21 15:37, 36F

05/21 15:37, 2年前 , 37F
財報,不然投資人自己樂觀評估不細看財報只能怪自己蠢
05/21 15:37, 37F

05/21 15:43, 2年前 , 38F
不好說阿 左手公司的持股人可以告一下
05/21 15:43, 38F

05/21 15:43, 2年前 , 39F
說你折損我們的權益去作帳
05/21 15:43, 39F

05/21 16:04, 2年前 , 40F
左手賣右手
05/21 16:04, 40F

05/21 16:31, 2年前 , 41F
原來這個可以提告? 我還以為是常態手法
05/21 16:31, 41F

05/21 17:03, 2年前 , 42F
不行吧 不然掏空公司都用這招就好
05/21 17:03, 42F

05/21 17:31, 2年前 , 43F
左手賣右手說大賺
05/21 17:31, 43F

05/21 17:34, 2年前 , 44F
這聽起來很嚴重耶,希望能告贏
05/21 17:34, 44F

05/21 17:35, 2年前 , 45F
為了延續公司生命這樣做跟為了騙投資人錢這樣做不一樣吧
05/21 17:35, 45F

05/21 17:36, 2年前 , 46F
有些集團會讓賺錢的子公司向新開的子公司下單沒錯
05/21 17:36, 46F

05/21 17:37, 2年前 , 47F
但把這個公司捧成集團新秀吸引人投資是兩回事喔
05/21 17:37, 47F

05/21 18:31, 2年前 , 48F
D+虧損 然後原因就是花大錢買教育片沒人要看?
05/21 18:31, 48F
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