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1F噓:据内田良平回忆，早在1898年，孙中山就对他说俄国乘革命05/18 23:09
2F→:之机夺取中国之领土 革命政府成立清朝政府必将奔逃满洲05/18 23:10
4F→:以俄国为后援。不得不与日本同盟，与俄国之冲突突终不可免05/18 23:12
7F→:孙中山解释：‘当然，我们乐意将满洲保持在自己手中05/18 23:15
9F→:大炮是歸大炮 但也不要引文一半 他後來還是說五族共和05/18 23:17
10F→:不然革命大將黃明堂等人都是外族 孫不講五族怎麼搞革命啊05/18 23:20
18F→:孫大炮一開始是天地會頭子就算想保滿不先喊反滿不行啊XD05/19 16:40
24F推:孫把人分成提倡者 起發者 實行者 他也把自己歸類成發起人05/22 16:16
25F→:不是理論創造者 不過溫和資本民族社會主義算是流派特色05/22 16:19
2F噓:共和是早年就有的主張 滿蒙問題還跟康梁走一起嘴砲過05/18 16:01
3F→:五族共和至少在民國前後就承認了 內田也說孫原意是想保滿05/18 16:04
4F→:為了防"俄匪"入侵 才托同是黃種人的"東亞盟友"管理05/18 16:07
5F→:跟要割讓滿蒙藏建共和國的毛不同XD 革命黨抗英法俄的傳單05/18 16:12
6F→:辛亥前就有了 還有孫打仗野戰勝率還蠻高的 是調度識人不明05/18 16:14
8F→:被背刺才失敗 是黃搞砸不少 正跟常敗落跑會識人的毛劉相反05/18 16:18
9F→:抱歉 又沒注意是這版OTZ05/18 16:19
1F推:孫的思想很複雜 他也向美國俄國提過對抗日本保全中國領土05/17 13:07
2F→:是大亞細亞主義者又希望恢復清領全盛的大中國主義者05/17 13:09
4F→:他思想是希望保全滿蒙 但能力不足才有給日本"托管"的想法05/17 13:13
5F→:其實跟現在某些翻案不同 孫文是相當心機的現實主義者05/17 13:15
6F→:當時革命黨主要宣傳外敵是英俄法 日皖相合又轉頭對付日本05/17 13:18
7F→:不過回復清領廢除不平等條約一直是孫的主要政治嘴砲之一05/17 13:20
8F→:孫應該沒有永久"割讓"的想法 可能事成後又會找別國"干涉"05/17 13:23
9F→:而日本也很不爽孫反覆無常 寧願跟有權有信諾的袁、段搞孫05/17 13:25
10F→:袁與日本之前偽造一個孫當大皇帝條約太假沒人信沒啥功效05/17 13:28
11F→:不排除袁日再偽造一個比較可信的 反正都是要掩護北洋與日05/17 13:30
12F→:簽訂二十一條並打擊孫的政治嘴砲 沒孫親筆簽名和具體實證05/17 13:32
13F→:還真很難說是真是假? （啊 忘記版規連推 很抱歉orz05/17 13:34
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