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4F推:這個是一定要推的啊!!!大推!!11/01 22:16
14F推:這篇文中所指的對象 應該是另一個網頁版的媒抗吧11/01 17:57
15F→:第一次看到媒抗網站還專設馬英酒鬥爭板網頁的 哈哈哈11/01 18:00
21F推:所以我一向批評媒體報導不能盡力維持客觀這一點11/01 22:07
22F→:"要求對手和自己是不能夠雙重標準的"??11/01 22:09
23F→:如此說來 那些網頁"媒抗"者應該更沒資格說哪家媒體是所11/01 22:09
24F→:謂的"偏藍中資統媒"吧??11/01 22:11
25F→:要求媒體不要偏藍 他們的批評卻是明顯政治立場優先11/01 22:11
26F→:這樣子我實在看不出來他們所謂"客觀"是為何物11/01 22:13
28F→:riverhorse大可以好好想想 真正的"雙重標準"是哪一方11/01 22:25
32F推:喔喔 你可以看看7220篇啊11/01 22:31
33F→:當他們的版眾來這宣傳時 我想我的心聲已經有傳達了11/01 22:31
34F→:不過上他們網站開火就免了 他們也一樣無等同媒體效力啊11/01 22:32
35F→:只是同樣是媒抗 又會有人偶爾來宣傳 我才會在這提起11/01 22:32
36F→:畢竟他們某些作風跟本文內提到的很像 提出來在推文內討11/01 22:33
37F→:論 應該沒有偏離版旨吧? 如果真的要鞭的話 我的作風就是11/01 22:34
38F→:自己會出來PO一篇了11/01 22:35
40F→:我對版眾的定義是有瀏覽並同意其部份內容的就叫版眾啊11/01 22:36
41F→:你可以查查看 那個ID之前也轉那個網站的內文到這來過11/01 22:37
43F→:要是無詳盡閱讀其內容並認同者 會PO那樣的文跟標題嗎?11/01 22:38
44F→:哈哈哈 所以A大究竟想要說什麼呢??11/01 22:39
46F→:我並沒有專文或洗板來討論喔 只是因為跟內文有關才在推11/01 22:40
48F→:文中提出 難道連這樣提出也不對嗎?? 請告訴我犯了版規11/01 22:41
49F→:哪一條?? 還是說那個網站是說什麼都不能被提到的??11/01 22:41
51F→:愛國同心會與媒抗無關 我所提的也跟媒抗毫無關係嗎??11/01 22:42
53F→:這話我更不懂了 所謂網路禮儀是......??11/01 22:44
55F→:這點我有看出 而且對其以媒抗之名行政治之實不以為然11/01 22:45
57F→:囧> 原來在大家的心裡已經把它算做政治團體了啊.....11/01 22:46
60F→:我想大概跟之前某些政黑熱血人士進駐的結果一樣慘吧....11/01 22:48
61F→:可是我覺得應該將我們跟它們劃清界線 不然容易搞混11/01 22:49
63F→:一開始我也是先看到網頁媒抗 就把這誤當做非理性區了11/01 22:50
66F→:<囧> 那樣這個版就完了.... 還是A大說的有理(汗)11/01 22:53
67F→:對不起 我以後不會這樣亂招惹它版版眾了 免得節外生枝11/01 22:54
70F→:囧> 情況應該還好啦 大部份版友看來都還算理性啊11/01 22:56
72F→:只是我還是覺得立場要說清楚 只是少拿出來說嘴就是= =a11/01 22:57
83F→:囧> B大是指上次評自由社論的那件事嗎?11/01 23:06
85F→:那篇後來其實我覺得已經像在鬧了 所以也沒在推文認真回11/01 23:08
87F→:就只是多加了個題外話而已= =||11/01 23:08
93F→:囧> d大會這樣抓狂 我覺得跟噓文前幾樓的id有點關係...11/01 23:10
95F→:不過 在推文中他們說的倒是挺符合問題核心的...11/01 23:12
98F→:別這樣啊 b大 媒抗版還是需要理性人士的存在的!!11/01 23:12
99F→:當然 課業是該放在比較優先的順序沒錯啦.....11/01 23:13
100F→:a大 別這樣 毛主席也有發過有內容的文的時候啊 XDDDD11/01 23:14
103F→:囧 你搞錯我的意思了 我指的核心是"那只是篇社論"11/01 23:14
104F→:社論是沒必要拿來跟報導做一樣水準的要求的11/01 23:15
108F→:唉 B大 碰到這種事 我會先說清楚自己立場然後直接停住11/01 23:18
109F→:因為兩方都有可能已經不太理性了 再討論也沒意思啊11/01 23:18
110F→:這種事有時候總會發生 別太放在心上了 (茶)11/01 23:19
114F推:將跟媒抗及本文有關係者提出在推文中討論 這樣不對嗎?11/02 00:29
115F→:我並不是PO文專批 而是以與本文有關之理由提起11/02 00:30
116F→:平時要我PO文批評其它網站 我還嫌打字麻煩呢 XD11/02 00:32
117F→:不過a大一番提醒 我以後大概也不會這樣評論了.....11/02 00:34
127F推:在批評內容以立場先行的前提下 你要說是否正確??11/04 17:40
128F→:我可沒說批評媒體者都一定要毫無政治立場到不能去投票11/04 17:41
129F→:而是在立場先行者的眼裡 他們所謂的"公正"究竟是真正的11/04 17:42
130F→:公正 或是單純將"媒抗"淪為打擊特定立場者的工具?11/04 17:43
131F→:打倒爛媒是應該常態化的一種過程 今天你覺得"沒關係啊11/04 17:47
132F→:反正對抗的對象都是一樣的" 那麼請問 如果哪天變成大家11/04 17:49
133F→:只覺得不符合我的心意的亂媒必除之而後快 合我心意的亂11/04 17:50
134F→:媒就睜眼閉眼當沒看到 那媒抗本身是否又等於淪為政治的11/04 17:51
135F→:附庸 又怎麼能等到媒抗落實成閱聽人的常態心理的一天??11/04 17:52
136F→:我們批評那些亂媒的 正是因為他們的立場影響報導的公正11/04 17:53
137F→:批評網站立場 自然與媒抗關係並不大 但是今天我批的是另11/04 17:58
138F→:一個以媒抗為名的網站 我並不覺得在有些人努力讓媒抗的11/04 17:59
139F→:精神落實在閱聽人的心裡並將其常態化的過程中 任意讓"11/04 18:01
140F→:媒抗"兩字被某些特定政治取向者所用來當做可能並非真正11/04 18:02
141F→:希望媒體公正而是打壓非我立場的工具的心態 是對媒抗精11/04 18:04
142F→:神普遍落實在閱聽人心中 有正面的幫助11/04 18:06
143F→:很多原本的好事都已經被政治對立搞的烏煙瘴氣了 還要加11/04 18:07
144F→:上媒抗這樁來陪葬嗎?11/04 18:08
158F→:首先 我對於媒體的看法與你有些不同11/05 13:10
159F推:媒體的報導本身我覺得就應該盡力要求中立11/05 13:15
160F→:不要造假只能算是對媒體最低底線的要求11/05 13:15
161F→:如果真的只要求不要造假 那麼媒體對報導的過度放大或縮11/05 13:16
162F→:小化是不是媒抗要針對的亂象?? (比方說過度誇張紅潮矚目11/05 13:16
163F→:的程度)11/05 13:17
164F→:而很明顯的 媒體的立場會影響到此一過度放大縮小化報導11/05 13:18
165F→:的行為 所以我覺得應當是要被重視的11/05 13:19
166F→:至於再提到網站的政治立場 我並非將其提到要與媒體同樣11/05 13:19
167F→:標準來檢視 所以也不能一概而論11/05 13:20
168F→:但是 有立場的網站一樣會像有立場的媒體一樣來放大縮小11/05 13:20
169F→: 我覺得在這樣的情況下會降低"媒抗"的客觀程度 即使還有11/05 13:21
170F→:像這個版一樣的中道立量存在11/05 13:22
171F→:就像 有立場的媒體會減低報導本身的客觀性 即使還是有比11/05 13:22
172F→:較客觀的媒體存在 但是現在的人是不是大多數都把焦點放11/05 13:23
173F→:在所謂的亂媒身上 然後覺得台灣媒體是種"亂象"11/05 13:24
174F→:事實上 仍然是有媒體人都是在自己崗位上堅持的 可是被蓋11/05 13:25
175F→:過去了 反過來看 我也很擔心那一小群人對媒抗所做的事11/05 13:26
176F→:會影響到大多數人對媒抗的觀感 從而忽略還有一群中道立11/05 13:27
177F→:場者對於指正不當媒體的用心與努力11/05 13:27
178F→:至於批評上的不當 就像我以前舉的 請去看看6871篇11/05 13:30
179F→:舉的事都是發生過的沒錯 但是裡面有幾件是真正在批媒體?11/05 13:31
180F→:將政客嘴砲與媒體誤導都綁在一起指責 算是就事論事嗎??11/05 13:32
181F→:還是說 故意給觀文者一種"媒體錯都在於某政黨"的印象?11/05 13:32
182F→:批的是媒體 卻用了跟媒體一樣的誤導手法11/05 13:34
6F推:原來不稱五月大意的判決就是官官相護啊140.116.118.182 11/01 10:04
5F推:統呆氣死倒未必 倒是政治立場鮮明的四樓先爽起來了 XD10/30 00:43
6F→:不過純以這篇而言 還算挺有創意的諷刺文XD10/30 00:45
8F→:我不是耶 你是嗎?10/30 00:53
10F推:哈哈 "奸"字本身就是污辱人的詞了 前面掛誰的名字都一樣10/30 01:01
12F推:至少現在你算到啦 XD10/30 02:45
1F推:嗯 可以請原PO說一下為什麼要貼這篇在這裡嗎....= =a10/29 23:49
3F推:這種"新聞分析"跟自由的"特稿"一樣啊 都加了大量的報紙10/29 23:52
5F→:立場下去 算是以報紙的角度來批判吧 原PO看看就好10/29 23:53
7F→:原本看到這種東西我也會生氣 現在都當社論特刊在看的10/29 23:54
8F→:哈哈哈 好歹也給社論一個發聲的機會吧 不然報紙會憋死10/29 23:55
9F→:聯合自由都很愛搞這套的10/29 23:57
11F推:真的要這樣一篇篇來鞭的話 版上每天都會很熱鬧吧XD10/29 23:59
4F→:又一個愛反串的 這年頭被毛主席感染到的怎麼越來越多啊?10/29 23:34
5F→:不過事後想想 其實也不能怪原PO 搞不好這就是原PO心聲呢10/30 00:24
8F→:您的推文如果只能跟政黑同等級 那我也沒啥好講的摟 XD10/30 00:49
10F→:畢竟我的印象中 媒抗版好像不是在心情群組嘛....10/30 00:50
2F推:一樓的意思是 因為媒體沒剪假畫面所以是值得被稱讚的??10/29 17:38
3F→: 過度解釋也是媒體亂源之一 我倒是覺得這也是該鞭的10/29 17:40
4F→:當然 如果1樓真的希望媒體"要作假就徹底一點" 那我無言10/29 17:42
10F→:不精確應當是做詳盡的訪問來搞清楚吧 就這樣在沒詢問過10/29 23:24
11F→:受訪者的確定答案下"弄得精確很多"真的是對的嗎?? XD10/29 23:25
66F→:題外話 悶鍋的確是有被在此拿出來討論過 不過應不算檢討10/29 20:23
67F→:討論的文章從5705篇開頭 有興趣的版眾可以去看看10/29 20:25
172F推:給B大 悶鍋被拿出來討論 我並不覺得是一件壞事啊10/29 23:40
2F推:囧 這篇的一護已經不太像漫畫裡那個不成熟的主角了....10/29 20:44
3F→:還有 我的戀次啊啊啊啊啊!! 怎麼連同人也在領便當= =10/29 20:46
30F推:從夜總會到笑話新聞 兩端的媒體早就都爛到爆表了 真好笑10/29 16:15
31F→:還來什麼烏鴉之說 真是讓人有種深切的無奈感10/29 16:16