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Re: [看板] C_BOO 板試閱結果
[ C_CenterWork ]390 留言, 推噓總分: +134
作者: sawg - 發表於 2016/11/19 17:51(7年前)
74FBigCat: 這串看很久看到現在還是霧煞煞118.171.165.3 11/19 19:26
75FBigCat: 如果只是噓文的話,要是西洽試噓不過呢?118.171.165.3 11/19 19:27
77FBigCat: 再把西布開回來?兜這一圈值得嗎…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:27
81FBigCat: 你確定隱板站長進不來?想清楚喔118.171.165.3 11/19 19:29
84FBigCat: 可是你不是站長118.171.165.3 11/19 19:29
86FBigCat: 再說把自己設會員就不用怕隱板了啊…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:30
89FBigCat: 西洽試噓不過的話西布要不要開回來?←118.171.165.3 11/19 19:32
90FBigCat: 是建議再討論一下,瑕疵有點多 (默)118.171.165.3 11/19 19:32
99FBigCat: 欸,帶種的話讓檢舉王來幫你們抓漏啦118.171.165.3 11/19 19:34
104FBigCat: 別跑啊你,這樣很不好看啦…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:35
109FBigCat: 我都覺得我來背刺很不厚道了啊你還跑…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:36
126FBigCat: 認真建議討論周全再出來公告比較好,撤了.118.171.165.3 11/19 19:38
163FBigCat: 我其實是覺得對看板熱情還有但方法偏掉了118.171.165.3 11/19 19:48
165FBigCat: 所以不開酸,反正我也沒什麼立場118.171.165.3 11/19 19:48
167FBigCat: 但是真的建議討論周全再放公告會漂亮點…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:49
170FBigCat: 的確沒有…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:50
175FBigCat: 所以嘛要酸就像我一樣別人看不到科科(?)118.171.165.3 11/19 19:52
186FBigCat: 實話說,私人地盤酸一下我也會啦118.171.165.3 11/19 19:57
187FBigCat: 不過這次處理手法真的不太漂亮才會冒出來118.171.165.3 11/19 19:58
188FBigCat: 啊就板眾跟組長各自加油了,我繼續路過…118.171.165.3 11/19 19:58
339FBigCat: 撿尾刀 0w0118.171.165.3 11/20 12:47
[申訴] PTTLAW已還其清白,請撤銷C_CHAT水桶!
[ C_CenterWork ]192 留言, 推噓總分: +3
作者: supermars - 發表於 2015/09/17 14:28(8年前)
166FBigCat: 提醒一下,那邊講的是你的名片檔不是文章122.121.63.55 09/17 14:37
167FBigCat: "針對文章或是推文之部分則為板務之權限"122.121.63.55 09/17 14:38
168FBigCat: 不要漏看這句,他只撤名片案,你還有得爭122.121.63.55 09/17 14:38
180FBigCat: 法務那邊的意思是法務歸法務板務歸板務122.121.63.55 09/17 16:27
181FBigCat: 他撤的是V板檢舉案不是板務認定122.121.63.55 09/17 16:28
182FBigCat: 你要申訴是拿板務總管的看法不是法務部的122.121.63.55 09/17 16:29
183FBigCat: C洽桶你是桶文章不是桶你名片檔跟簽名檔122.121.63.55 09/17 16:29
184FBigCat: 你要申訴就先搞清楚這兩者的分別122.121.63.55 09/17 16:30
185FBigCat: 不然這種申訴就是張飛打岳飛122.121.63.55 09/17 16:31
187FBigCat: 你是搞不清楚自己要申訴的到底是什麼122.121.63.55 09/17 16:31
189FBigCat: 法務不能管到板務,你先弄清楚這一點122.121.63.55 09/17 16:32
190FBigCat: 法務撤掉名片簽名案那是法務非關板務122.121.63.55 09/17 16:33
191FBigCat: C洽桶你主因是文章行為,其他是附帶理由122.121.63.55 09/17 16:34
192FBigCat: 你要申訴就只能繞著看板這一塊走122.121.63.55 09/17 16:35
194FBigCat: 因為認定你的文章是廣告啊,你不懂嗎?122.121.63.55 09/17 16:35
197FBigCat: 你拿法務來申訴板務叫做張飛打岳飛,難懂?122.121.63.55 09/17 16:36
198FBigCat: 如果你只肯看對自己有利的,抱歉幫不上了122.121.63.55 09/17 16:37
201FBigCat: 「法務歸法務,板務歸板務」哪個字不懂?122.121.63.55 09/17 16:37
202FBigCat: "針對文章或是推文之部分則為板務之權限"122.121.63.55 09/17 16:38
203FBigCat: 哪個字不懂?122.121.63.55 09/17 16:38
205FBigCat: 我在跟你講兩個部門互不相干,你就講網址122.121.63.55 09/17 16:39
206FBigCat: 法務撤的是你的名片跟簽名單,跟板務無關122.121.63.55 09/17 16:40
208FBigCat: 不對,這邊是板務小組板122.121.63.55 09/17 16:40
210FBigCat: 你可以用法務判決再跟板主溝通122.121.63.55 09/17 16:41
211FBigCat: 板主維持你不服才來這邊申訴,這叫程序122.121.63.55 09/17 16:41
213FBigCat: 不是直接拿法務判決推翻板務判決,懂嗎?122.121.63.55 09/17 16:42
215FBigCat: 照文章被桶的流程再跑一次,不是直接發這122.121.63.55 09/17 16:43
217FBigCat: 名片檔本來就是法務的事不是看板的事122.121.63.55 09/17 16:44
219FBigCat: 簽名檔算不算文章主體看各看板的板規122.121.63.55 09/17 16:45
220FBigCat: 這是兩件事不要混在一起122.121.63.55 09/17 16:45
221FBigCat: 照你申訴文章水桶的流程再跟板主跑一次122.121.63.55 09/17 16:46
222FBigCat: 至於哪個板在哪個小組該去哪裡,自己找-_-122.121.63.55 09/17 16:47
223FBigCat: 沒有申訴信證據一般是不受理的,先提醒你122.121.63.55 09/17 16:47
224FBigCat: 你自己也是板主為什麼不去弄清楚這些…122.121.63.55 09/17 16:48
228FBigCat: 好歹搞清楚什麼程序該怎麼跑,扯什麼複雜.122.121.63.55 09/17 16:58
229FBigCat: 小組板底下都有申訴方法,至少要看吧122.121.63.55 09/17 16:58
230FBigCat: …算了,其他祝你好運吧,不回了122.121.63.55 09/17 16:59
234FBigCat: 你哪隻眼睛看到我經驗多了?122.121.63.55 09/17 17:03
235FBigCat: 當板主弄清楚相關的東西是當然的吧122.121.63.55 09/17 17:04
236FBigCat: 這樣也在扯能力跟經驗值… -_-122.121.63.55 09/17 17:05
237FBigCat: 修正一下給來看的板友 (不是為了原po)122.121.63.55 09/17 17:28
238FBigCat: 法務撤的那單是針對名片檔檢舉122.121.63.55 09/17 17:29
239FBigCat: 文章跟簽名檔是留給板務去認定的122.121.63.55 09/17 17:29
240FBigCat: 怕推文說得不夠清楚補充一下這樣122.121.63.55 09/17 17:32
245FBigCat: 所以他撤的是名片檔,簽名檔歸板務他不管122.121.63.55 09/17 17:46
246FBigCat: 最原始的判決是包括簽名跟名片122.121.63.55 09/17 17:47
247FBigCat: 名片他覺得不成立→撤銷122.121.63.55 09/17 17:48
248FBigCat: 簽名踢回給板務,他不管→不罰122.121.63.55 09/17 17:48
249FBigCat: 哪邊理解不能?122.121.63.55 09/17 17:49
250FBigCat: 「法務部僅就名片檔之有審理權限」看懂嗎?122.121.63.55 09/17 17:50
251FBigCat: 看板可以因簽名檔桶人但不能因名片檔去桶122.121.63.55 09/17 18:04
252FBigCat: 法務可以管名片檔但一般不管簽名檔122.121.63.55 09/17 18:05
253FBigCat: 簽名檔跟名片檔就是兩碼事122.121.63.55 09/17 18:05
254FBigCat: 你可以用法務認定去溝通文章被桶122.121.63.55 09/17 18:06
255FBigCat: 但不是用法務判決去直接推翻板務判決122.121.63.55 09/17 18:06
256FBigCat: 講這樣你還硬要攪在一起的話我也沒辦法了122.121.63.55 09/17 18:07
257FBigCat: 順帶一提Violation板之前的判例122.121.63.55 09/17 18:18
258FBigCat: V板上搜"簽名檔廣告"都是丟回看板處理的122.121.63.55 09/17 18:18
259FBigCat: 以上。122.121.63.55 09/17 18:19
265FBigCat: V板的判決你已經在PttLaw上訴而且有結果122.121.63.55 09/17 20:53
266FBigCat: 你可以拿結果去跟C板板主溝通122.121.63.55 09/17 20:54
267FBigCat: 但不是直接拿結果去推翻板主判決122.121.63.55 09/17 20:54
269FBigCat: 法務歸法務的程序,板務歸板務的程序122.121.63.55 09/17 20:55
272FBigCat: 你法務跑完了,法務撤單,法務這塊就結束122.121.63.55 09/17 20:56
274FBigCat: 但是法務管不到板務的認定,這是兩回事122.121.63.55 09/17 20:56
275FBigCat: 即使法務說名片檔撤單,但簽名不歸他們管122.121.63.55 09/17 20:57
276FBigCat: 你去V板檢舉誰簽名廣告一樣踢回看板認定122.121.63.55 09/17 20:57
277FBigCat: 我不覺得一個說明重複好幾次有意義就是了122.121.63.55 09/17 20:58
278FBigCat: 簡言之你要撤桶只能跑板務程序與法務無涉122.121.63.55 09/17 20:59
279FBigCat: 法務撤單對板務來說只是可供參考而已。122.121.63.55 09/17 20:59
284FBigCat: 你能爭取的就是同樣網址是否兩邊認定相同122.121.63.55 09/17 21:01
285FBigCat: 不然法務不管看板怎麼認定122.121.63.55 09/17 21:02
286FBigCat: 而且一邊撤名片單一邊桶簽名文章,兜不攏122.121.63.55 09/17 21:03
287FBigCat: 況且板主一開始不是不給機會122.121.63.55 09/17 21:03
288FBigCat: 你直接扣個言論自由帽子丟去SYSOP板122.121.63.55 09/17 21:04
289FBigCat: 坦白說我覺得板務認定這塊你會很辛苦了…122.121.63.55 09/17 21:04
290FBigCat: 法務的判定在板務就是「判決參考」122.121.63.55 09/17 21:05
291FBigCat: 說白一點板主當然可以選擇要不要參考122.121.63.55 09/17 21:06
292FBigCat: 你要申訴就是走板務,法務判決只能是參考122.121.63.55 09/17 21:07
293FBigCat: 你不能說法務撤單我名片檔所以簽名檔不算.122.121.63.55 09/17 21:07
294FBigCat: 只能說link法務認定不算,問板主認定標準122.121.63.55 09/17 21:09
295FBigCat: 然後照程序再跑一次而已122.121.63.55 09/17 21:10
296FBigCat: 這部份我不重複了不然變成我跳針 -_-122.121.63.55 09/17 21:11
297FBigCat: 另外法務並不是說你的站台不是商業站台122.121.63.55 09/17 21:15
298FBigCat: 他說的你在PTT的文章看不出有誘導122.121.63.55 09/17 21:15
299FBigCat: 他說的是你在PTT的文章看不出有誘導122.121.63.55 09/17 21:16
300FBigCat: 是不是商業站台他並沒有明確判定喔…122.121.63.55 09/17 21:16
301FBigCat: 「Ptt法務部無實際社會調查權限」122.121.63.55 09/17 22:57
302FBigCat: 「亦應無權管轄至Ptt外之網站」122.121.63.55 09/17 22:58
303FBigCat: 他並沒有明確說你「不是」商業站台122.121.63.55 09/17 22:59
304FBigCat: 也就是說他不管你是不是商業站台122.121.63.55 09/17 22:59
305FBigCat: 只看你有沒有用Ptt衝流量122.121.63.55 09/17 22:59
306FBigCat: 針對是否為商業站台這一塊他並沒有明說122.121.63.55 09/17 23:00
307FBigCat: 而且他有說「在沒有進一步證據之前blah」122.121.63.55 09/17 23:02
308FBigCat: 所以這單其實還是很有保留空間的…122.121.63.55 09/17 23:03
309FBigCat: 對啊,流量跟是否為商業網站是兩回事122.121.63.55 09/17 23:19
310FBigCat: 所以他只說你目前看起來不是靠Ptt衝流量122.121.63.55 09/17 23:20
311FBigCat: 並沒有說是不是商業站喔122.121.63.55 09/17 23:20
312FBigCat: 我要怎麼說你才能弄懂一碼歸一碼?122.121.63.55 09/17 23:21
313FBigCat: 他那句話的意思是法務不能判定外站屬性122.121.63.55 09/17 23:22
314FBigCat: 所以只能管是不是靠Ptt衝流量(跟ptt有關)122.121.63.55 09/17 23:22
315FBigCat: 目前沒有進一步證據說你衝流量所以撤單122.121.63.55 09/17 23:23
316FBigCat: 但是有新證據新檢舉的話就還是會開單122.121.63.55 09/17 23:23
317FBigCat: 如果你真的沒靠ptt衝的話當然不用擔心122.121.63.55 09/17 23:24
318FBigCat: 但是不是商業站台,他並沒有明確說不是喔122.121.63.55 09/17 23:24
319FBigCat: 當然也沒有明確說是,我說的空間是這個122.121.63.55 09/17 23:25
320FBigCat: 你的著眼點在商業的話當然就回你商業問題122.121.63.55 09/17 23:26
321FBigCat: 但是那個判決的依據是流量,不懂的是你吧122.121.63.55 09/17 23:26
322FBigCat: 他只說無權判定是不是,沒說你不是122.121.63.55 09/17 23:27
323FBigCat: 然後你自己覺得他說你不是 -_-122.121.63.55 09/17 23:27
324FBigCat: 所以根據流量問題他判你贏啊122.121.63.55 09/17 23:28
325FBigCat: 然後是不是商業站台的話他說無權判,這樣122.121.63.55 09/17 23:29
326FBigCat: 你節外生枝跟我說你文章多優秀無助於釐清122.121.63.55 09/17 23:30
327FBigCat: 然後跟你講到這邊你說我過度解讀也OK122.121.63.55 09/17 23:30
328FBigCat: 白花整晚當呂洞賓,下次看到你我自動pass122.121.63.55 09/17 23:31
329FBigCat: 以後去哪申訴要申訴些什麼自己看著辦了122.121.63.55 09/17 23:32
330FBigCat: 申訴就是一種咬文嚼字說服對方的過程122.121.63.55 09/17 23:33
331FBigCat: 既然你不領情那我就看戲這樣,祝好運122.121.63.55 09/17 23:34
332FBigCat: 最後再說一次,不要只看對自己有利的部份122.121.63.55 09/17 23:37
333FBigCat: 真的不回了,沒有意義還白花我時間,撤-_-122.121.63.55 09/17 23:38
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