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Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]7 留言, 推噓總分: +5

作者: moonlike - 發表於 2007/12/06 23:41(16年前)

5^F推amaranth:稱臣是場面話,跟借荊州一樣是和談的一種而已12/07 14:54

6^F→amaranth:吳國根本不是真的把曹魏當盟友12/07 14:55

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]33 留言, 推噓總分: +9

作者: zin0083 - 發表於 2007/12/06 20:01(16年前)

6^F→amaranth:關羽煽動叛亂的出處?12/06 20:24

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]9 留言, 推噓總分: +7

作者: TaylorMars - 發表於 2007/12/06 19:33(16年前)

6^F推amaranth:劉璋哪有那麼好殺..要不是引狼入室劉備還有的拚勒...12/06 20:22

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]2 留言, 推噓總分: +1

作者: zin0083 - 發表於 2007/12/06 17:48(16年前)

1^F推amaranth:劉備有支援對抗劉表,至於之後那是各自作戰12/06 18:16

2^F→amaranth:劉備趁機入益州後也是整天再打12/06 18:16

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]7 留言, 推噓總分: +3

作者: moonlike - 發表於 2007/12/06 11:25(16年前)

3^F推amaranth:荊州是戰略要地,取荊州是雙方目標,不過合作抗曹更重要12/06 17:05

4^F→amaranth:魯肅即使想要,他也是以盡可能維持雙方合作為目標12/06 17:07

5^F→amaranth:呂蒙只顧著取荊州,卻沒考慮破棄合作後再來要怎麼一打二12/06 17:07

6^F→amaranth:諸葛亮跟劉備,魯肅在堅持之餘還記得合作最重要12/06 17:09

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]4 留言, 推噓總分: +2

作者: amaranth - 發表於 2007/12/06 07:05(16年前)

4^F→amaranth:雷緒,他造反被夏侯淵擊敗後率部曲數萬人南下投降劉備12/06 20:25

Re: [問題] 孫權怎麼殺了關羽？

[ SAN ]12 留言, 推噓總分: +7

作者: lingjj - 發表於 2007/12/05 20:38(16年前)

5^F→amaranth:劉備把孫權當臣下?願聞其詳12/06 06:26

[心得] 孫家四兄弟的字

[ SAN ]12 留言, 推噓總分: +8

作者: bluekea - 發表於 2007/11/17 01:09(16年前)

7^F推amaranth:會跟不熟朋友說要多少自己隨便搬的人怎麼會內向..11/17 23:32

Re: [閒聊] 林志玲版的小喬

[ SAN ]3 留言, 推噓總分: 0

作者: FoxxV501 - 發表於 2007/10/10 01:07(16年前)

1^F→amaranth:如果你提的是林媽利的東西,他的東西一向有爭議10/10 07:52

2^F→amaranth:東南亞一代是海島跟北方南下的混血區,林的研究一直有片面10/10 07:53

3^F→amaranth:解釋之疑10/10 07:54

Re: [討論] 凋零的真相

[ SAN ]15 留言, 推噓總分: +7

作者: Mister5 - 發表於 2007/10/04 17:08(16年前)

1^F推amaranth:創國之初的人才包括劉備帶去的荊州跟北方人才,10/04 18:50

2^F→amaranth:還有之前戰亂過去避禍的移民,本來就不是光巴蜀湊的到的10/04 18:51

3^F→amaranth:曹營的荀攸本來也有可能變成其中一員10/04 18:51

11^F推amaranth:荀攸出獄本來是要去蜀地的,住荊州是走到半路因不安全暫停10/06 10:38

12^F→amaranth:後來才被曹操用最便宜的信件遠距登用XD10/06 10:40

13^F→amaranth:如果曹操慢一點或他走快一點,很可能變成蜀地外來人才之一10/06 10:40

14^F→amaranth:我接的是"戰亂過去避禍的移民"啦,不是第一句10/06 10:42

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