Re: [討論] 雷神索爾3無限手套

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※ 引述《Zongsheng (Zongsheng)》之銘言： : 手機排版，不知道要不要防雷 : 阿斯嘉寶庫有一個無限手套 : 雖然海拉當時就說是假的無限手套 : 可是阿斯嘉沒事收藏一個假的無限手套 : 為什麼？ : 還有，為什麼壁畫中海拉能舉起雷神槌？ : 壁畫感覺是照事實畫的，像壁畫芬里斯也是真的 : ----- : Sent from JPTT on my iPhone 這個問題其實官方去年有解答過，或至少解答過一部分。事情是這樣的，其實那副手套早在2011年的《雷神索爾》就已經先出現過一次了，手邊有影碟的話可以注意一下00:11:04左右的畫面，藏寶庫的一角可以看到鑲滿寶石的手套。 https://i.imgur.com/xlVhmng.jpg

在前一年的SDCC上，官方也曾在展場展出過實體道具： https://i.imgur.com/h7tgRJa.jpg

有趣的是，在2011年的土星獎頒獎典禮上，Marvel Studios總裁凱文˙費吉也曾用這個道具預告了本系列未來的發展。那時未能出席的凱文用影片在典禮上進行致詞，講到一半時身後的工作人員「剛好」抱著手套走過去，問這東西要怎麼擺放，凱文便叮嚀要小心一點，那可是個重要的祕密。 https://i.imgur.com/bpx9UWk.png

值得注意的是，阿斯嘉的這副手套和薩諾斯的無限手套雖然款式相同，但它是一副「右手」手套，薩諾斯那副則是「左手」手套。那麼到底為什麼手套會鬧雙胞呢？這是去年費吉在訪談裡的說法： http://www.slashfilm.com/thor-ragnarok-spoiler-questions/ "Going all the way back to Phase One, where Infinity War was a barely a glint in our eye, we were working on Avengers and trying to just put that all together for the conclusion of Phase One. And it’s in one shot. It’s in one shot in the background." "And also, it was on display, I think at Comic-Con. In the Marvel booth. And pretty quickly after that, within a couple years, we were like, well that’s clearly not the Gauntlet. The Gauntlet can’t be in there. And we had an internal Marvel theory that it was fake. That Odin who you’ve seen in the other films and who’s a… I guess a good father. He’s kind of an okay father. Kind of fosters the rivalry. As we learn in this movie, he vanished his firstborn daughter because he sort of got what he needed, he got to the top of the Nine Realms and it was like oh, this is much too violent. And Hela says, glad to have it, ashamed of how we got it. And we see that mural in the movie of [how] it was not a pleasant history of how Asgard got all that gold. So Odin has a history of doing what he wants to do to maintain power. And going back, I mean, now it’s probably five years ago we started again just in our internal creative group saying, “Well, it’s fake.” Because if the Asgardians knew that there was something that had that kind of power, that could theoretically wipe out Asgard and whatever else with a, in the comics, a literal snap of the fingers. They might question Odin’s ability to protect them. So Odin put a fake and he goes, it’s fine, I got it. Look, it’s fine, it’s in our vault, don’t worry about it. And it’s not until Hela goes down there. It was fun being back in that vault, by the way, for the first time since Thor 1. It was just the opportunity to call it a fake. So for people like yourself, and like all of us at Marvel Studios who were paying attention, that answers that question. And for people who have no idea that an out-of-focus Infinity Gauntlet appeared in the back of Thor 1, it just showcases her knowledge and her sort of disgust with the way Odin had handled things on her way to the true power that is below the surface." 簡單來說： 1.在《雷神索爾》推出的當下，Marvel Studios的主要目標是先專心在《復仇者聯盟》上，當時根本還沒有辦法確定未來有沒有辦法把《Infinity Gauntlet》的漫畫故事改編上大銀幕，《復仇者聯盟：無限之戰》八字都還沒有一撇，因此那時官方之所以在奧丁的藏寶庫裡放入手套，就只是想給粉絲一點服務，或當成某種預告性質的彩蛋。 2.因為上述這個幕後的緣由，當薩諾斯和他的計畫確定在本系列電影裡成形之後，官方便會需要回過頭來給出一個劇中的理由，解釋為什麼會有一副手套出現在那裡。而他們在當年也早就已經有了一個雛型概念：那副手套其實是假的。直到《雷神索爾3：諸神黃昏》時：故事告訴觀眾，阿斯嘉的政權其實是建立在血腥的對外征戰與各種祕密之上，奧丁為了維繫自己統治的正當性掩蓋了許多見不得人的事情，而同樣地，在官方設定裡，那副鑲滿寶石的手套也是為了安穩民心、讓國民們覺得「外頭那些危險的神物都在奧丁的控管之下」才會被擺放在藏寶庫裡的。電影裡海拉之所以會有那句台詞，除了是要為前述手套的存在理由做出補充，也是為了要展現她的知識以及對奧丁的鄙視。當然了，《復仇者聯盟：無限之戰》推出後，上面的這個說法似乎又出現了一些問題，既然薩諾斯的那副左手手套是較晚才誕生的，為什麼海拉會知道阿斯嘉的右手手套是假貨呢？我認為目前比較合理的解釋是：以海拉對奧丁虛偽程度的瞭解，她本來就不一定要真的見過「真貨」才能知道阿斯嘉的手套是一組純粹用來欺騙國民的裝飾品，而且現在看起來，那句台詞更有可能是指她一眼就看出鑲在上面的石頭根本沒有任何功能。至於兩組手套為何連造型都一樣？比較有可能的答案是：阿斯嘉的那副手套也是找矮人訂做的，說不定就連矮人都被奧丁矇騙，誤以為所有無限原石都在他的看管之下，所以就按照要求幫他做了一副控制用的手套，只不過後來被客戶拿去鑲普通寶石騙人而已。 -- Q for Quest: http://qn123456.blogspot.com/ Marvel電影世界觀百科：http://marvelcue.blogspot.tw/ Marvel電影世界觀百科臉書頁面：https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCUE -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.68.121 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/movie/M.1526549300.A.056.html

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