Re: [情報] Apple認為TSMC與***的晶片只有2%電力差異

看板iOS作者 (kyle)時間10年前 (2015/10/09 09:05), 編輯推噓24(26221)
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聽說台積電的晶片比三星的貴70% 假設三星的賣20美元 台積的賣34 美元 差 14 美元 iPhone一台賣650美元 成本也只差2~3% 那蘋果怎不多用台積的? 反正2~3%沒差不是嗎? ※ 引述《mmmmmfff (發牢騷!)》之銘言: : 原文請跳轉 : http://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/08/apple-a9-chip-2-3-percent-difference/ : 全文以及翻譯如下 翻譯有我個人加油添醋的語氣,不喜歡的話請看原文。 : (其實看第一段就夠了) : Over the past several days, a slew of battery tests on the iPhone 6s and the : iPhone 6s Plus have revealed some performance differences between : models that have an A9 chip manufactured by TSMC and those with an A9 : chip created by Samsung. While variousbenchmarking and real world usage : tests have shown differences of 6 percent to 22 percent, in favor of TSMC : chips, Apple says that its own testing has shown battery life variations of : only two to three percent. : 在過去幾天,有大量兩種版本晶片製成的6s與6s plus的電力測試。 : 台積電與三星的A9晶片,在多方測試之下,有著6~22%的電力續航力差距。 : 但是蘋果認為,實際的差異只有2~3%而已。 : In a statement given to TechCrunch, Apple says that it has done internal : testing and gathered customer data to determine the performance difference : between the two chips in the iPhones. : 在一份給TechCrunch的聲明稿中,蘋果表示經過內部測試以及蒐集了消費者的資料。 : 兩種晶片的差異已經有了結果。 : With the Apple-designed A9 chip in your iPhone 6s or iPhone 6s Plus, you are : getting the most advanced smartphone chip in the world. Every chip we ship : meets Apple's highest standards for providing incredible performance and : deliver great battery life, regardless of iPhone 6s capacity, color, or mode l. : Certain manufactured lab tests which run the processors with a continuous : heavy workload until the battery depletes are not representative of real-wor ld : usage, since they spend an unrealistic amount of time at the highest CPU : performance state. It's a misleading way to measure real-world battery life. : Our testing and customer data show the actual battery life of the iPhone 6s : and iPhone 6s Plus, even taking into account variable component differences, : vary within just 2-3% of each other. : 我們設計的A9晶片根本是科技的尖端,你拿到的是世界上最棒的手機。 : 無論你拿哪個型號或顏色,你都可以得到最棒的效能、卓越的電量、快樂的人生。 : 最近很多人在幫我們做不同製成晶片的電力測試,喔,拜託,誰會那樣測。 : 現實生活有誰會拿著手機24小時不斷的讓CPU滿載阿。根本一點也不現實。 : 在一般日常使用下,電力只會差2~3%啦。 : Apple says that early battery benchmark tests conducted by customers, : such as those weshared yesterday, are not reflective of real world usage : conditions. The two to three percent difference that Apple has seen in data : gathered from customers is "well within its manufacturing tolerances" and is a : level of variation that could be seen between two devices with the same chip . : Apple's statement on real world usage reflects what recent YouTube tests hav e : revealed. Side-by-side battery tests comparing a TSMC iPhone and a Samsung : iPhone did not show differences as dramatic as benchmark tests have shown, : but those videos are also not quite indicative of real world usage results. On : MacRumors forums, opinions on battery life have been highly mixed. While som e : users with Samsung chips have reported poor battery life, others have not : reported issues. : 這兩段只是做總結,基本上跟前面說的差不多,懶得翻了。 : 總之,蘋果承認兩種晶片有差異,但認為這只是公差的正常值。 : 不要噓我QQ,我只是在等官網開賣無聊,轉貼新聞不是在護航。 : -- : 很多飲料店都用保麗龍杯子 飲料你只要20分鐘就可以喝完 : 但是留下的保麗龍杯子 地球500年都消化不完 : 如果你買了就直接喝 請不要又拿一個塑膠袋包著喝 : : 夏天冷氣不用開這麼冷 每人冷氣每調高一度 : 就可以省6%的電力 一整個夏天可以省84億度的電 : -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 131.215.220.165 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/iPhone/M.1444352728.A.C24.html

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10/09 09:10, , 2F
為了避免拿到三星,繼續硬撐等待下一代。加油!
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有一家還是兩家供應商比較好殺價?
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10/09 09:11, , 4F
下一代也不太可能只給台積電包吧
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10/09 09:12, , 5F
為了出貨量吧 這次供量似乎很足 不像去年那麼缺
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股東對2~3%很計較的
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10/09 09:12, , 7F
一家獨大會有斷貨的風險啊 我猜你沒當過採購?
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10/09 09:12, , 8F
這是製程風險分散與價錢考慮
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10/09 09:12, , 9F
1台2~3% 上千萬台時 就差很大了.
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10/09 09:13, , 10F
差2%~3%那售價也應該低個3% 相信消費者會買單
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10/09 09:13, , 11F
有可能回歸一家 這次cpu放兩個供應商應該是史上第一次
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10/09 09:13, , 12F
http://tinyurl.com/qgs9nrg 就這篇啊 蘋果有要求三星
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10/09 09:13, , 13F
上次吵顆粒,這次吵CPU,下次又要吵什麼?
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10/09 09:13, , 14F
明明就是摳死當 沒當過RD?
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10/09 09:14, , 15F
所以會被比較表現很正常 魯蛇那家也會被打壞口碑
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10/09 09:14, , 16F
跟台GG都降價。三星願意,GG不幹。结果就被大量砍單了
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10/09 09:15, , 17F
因為就算這樣大家都還是排隊搶買啊
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10/09 09:15, , 18F
貌似已經確定回歸一家了啊 下一次是台gg全拿
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半導體很常出現突發狀況,且現在14-16奈米,很多oos就矇
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著眼就續go了
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羊毛出在羊身上 (゜∀。)
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10/09 09:16, , 22F
說真的啦如果真的照蘋果宣稱只差2~3%那全丢给三星賺ok
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10/09 09:16, , 23F
因為要氣死賈柏斯
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10/09 09:17, , 24F
賣這麼貴 還用三爽爛貨 ?
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10/09 09:18, , 25F
便宜沒好貨 這是真的...難怪TSMC死都不降價
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10/09 09:18, , 26F
不過賣這麼貴還用到三爽的 我會蠻不爽的
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10/09 09:22, , 27F
那樓上要買s6 跟note5的人情何以堪呢
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10/09 09:23, , 28F
好煩啊希望不要給三星的
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10/09 09:27, , 29F
賣這麼貴還在cost down...就是要賺果粉的錢就對了
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10/09 09:32, , 30F
蘋果股東在意那2到3%,蘋果使用者不會在意一般使用多耗
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電2到3%
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10/09 09:36, , 32F
很佩服台GG的堅持,就算是全世界最賺錢的蘋果
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10/09 09:49, , 33F
以下開放鍵盤CEO們分析
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10/09 10:01, , 34F
2~3%是用啥方法測? 這也間接承認高負載時會達到20%差異
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10/09 10:13, , 35F
建議***以後也找台雞店代工,筆記 的續航力 應該可以
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大增!
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10/09 10:22, , 37F
沒有公司敢把重要的單完全下給某間公司 會很危險
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10/09 10:23, , 38F
為了避免爭議,以後都用三星,便宜又不會有兩個晶片的爭
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10/09 10:31, , 40F
成本的差距算法不是除以售價……
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10/09 10:44, , 41F
這是蘋果慣用手法吧 要削弱供應商價格
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10/09 11:19, , 42F
2~3%價格沒差? 沒出過社會
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10/09 11:31, , 43F
有夠傻的爛文,真蠢
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10/09 12:00, , 44F
這不是酸文嗎,怎會有人噓的那麼認真?
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10/09 12:49, , 45F
7吉利
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10/09 14:01, , 46F
好酸 哈哈
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10/09 15:16, , 47F
有差嗎 反正抽到三星就退
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10/09 15:35, , 48F
蘋果本來就很會砍價 要不然哪來這麼高的獲利
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10/10 13:18, , 49F
iphone6 就台積全吃啊。 有聽過second source嗎?
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