[灌水] 小道消息 about Love's trade

看板Timberwolves作者 (小虎)時間9年前 (2014/07/26 04:14), 編輯推噓51(51066)
留言117則, 20人參與, 最新討論串1/5 (看更多)
有沒有發現在Andrew Wiggins宣布簽約後 原本鋪天蓋地的rumor一夕消失了 加上之前騎士交易Unguaranteeds 要推論一些結果應該不難 但啥結論都還不用下 繼續看戲比較開心XD 以下這個消息 來自灰狼討論區 --------------------------------------------------------------- 一位朋友在Minneapolis體育館 廁所上大號時 聽到一位球團工作人員正在講電話討論交易事項 (人員身分是確定的) 此人便很認真的偷聽並用手機記錄聽到的內容 保密防諜 人人有責阿~~~ 第三隊會是"金塊" 且分成兩次交易來完成 內容如下: Cavs and Wolves are including the Nuggets in a 3-team deal. Trade will happen in 2 parts. The first part will happen next week. 1st part CAVS IN: Mozgov WOLVES IN: Nate Robinson + 2 non guarantees contracts from Cavs (Friend doesn't know which ones) NUGGETS IN: JJ Barea + Dellavedova + 2nd round pick from Wolves (Friend doesn't know which one) 2nd part CAVS IN: Kevin Love WOLVES IN: Bennett + Wiggins + (2) 1st round picks from Cavs (Friend doesn't know which ones) The first part of the deal will happen very shortly. Faried does not play a part in this deal. The Nuggets are not in the 2nd part of the deal at all. Just passing this along for I knew when I was told of this conversation by my friend I would put this up on REALGM ASAP. I find the deal interesting, although limited in nature. 第一部分交易很快就公佈 Faried沒有被放進認合包裹內 如果下週真的發生 那接下來的第二部分......嘿嘿嘿 One more important note to the conversation that my friend heard was that when Wiggins signed today it supposedly indicated that the Cavs decided to go with Mozgov in a 3 team deal instead of picking up a Stiemsma in free agency. My friend didn't quite understood the comment, and neither do I, but I thought I would pass it along as well. 另外一個補充, Wiggins的簽約代表Cavs決定拿Mozgov而非簽FA Stiemsma 不完整也沒啥邏輯的一段話 可直接忽略 這份交易看來最不合理的是金塊部分 為什麼要丟好用的Mozgoz換JJB+二輪簽?? 感覺騎士的一輪簽應該給他們 灰狼迷都不好意思拿了XD 合理化的說法是JaVale "My Boy" McGee要復出 加上Jusuf Nurkic要在本季加入 不想再養第三個C 再強調 這個消息非常非常小道 沒有任何credibility 比twitter的可信度還低 如同這篇文章的分類<灌水> 預防接下來幾天版太乾~XD 不過這篇討論之後又有專家twitter消息發布 不小心穩合了 Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynski After talking w/ Wolves, can say definitively Gorgui Dieng not on the table in any trade talks. KMartin name hasn't come up yet, either ~to be continued~~ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 今天目前唯一新消息 公牛陳清Mirotic沒有被放進包裹 如同之前我某篇推文提出的質疑 Mirotic應該是有拿到不交易承諾才願意簽字的 除非Rubio的靈氣強到可以吸引他來北大荒XD 目前各種傳言在未確定前都是可以質疑的 如同Cavs不願意放AW T-Wolves不會放Dieng Bulls不放Moritic也是一樣 我只是就我感覺合理的狀況來分析 沒有Moritic 難道要放Jimmy Butler?! 不然公牛這包差多囉 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cavs代言人Sam Amico 唯一到現在還堅持Wiggins沒放進包裹的專家 注意他是Ohio當地媒體 如同Wolfson是灰狼人馬 昨天消息 Amico: "I can tell you within the last 24-48 hours, Dan Gilbert and the owner of the #Timberwolves talked." then...今天的消息 Royce Young @EyeOnBasketball Report: Wolves owner Taylor prefers Cavaliers' Wiggins offer for Love -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 以下為美國鄉民列出的防守數據 Love防守不突出是眾人皆知的事實 AB去年上場時間少 樣本少 身材又失控 防守爛不意外 今年照理說會進步 至於Cavs交易超強萬用包TT + DW 防守不好也是之前講過的 所以......TT + DW的進攻可以像Love一樣補回他們的爛防守嗎? XD Wolves Kevin Love PER 26.9 NBA PER Ranking 5th NBA Defensive Points per Possession Allowed NBA Ranking 108th Cavs Tristan Thompson PER 14.9 NBA PER Ranking 159th NBA Defensive Points per Possession Allowed NBA Ranking 251st Dion Waiters PER 14.0 NBA PER Ranking 190th NBA Defensive Points per Possession Allowed NBA Ranking 280th Anthony Bennett PER 6.9 NBA PER Ranking 425th NBA Defensive Points per Possession Allowed NBA Ranking 442nd There were 482 NBA players last season with an average PER of 15.0. Each of the "established" Cavs players that you will be forced to take because of leverage had a below average PER and a defensive rating below the median. IOW they all suck. As will the picks you'll get. This is strictly a deal of Love for Wiggins' "potential." If I were the Wolves GM, I'd be looking at the Bulls or any other deal a lot closer than betting the house on a rookie who's raw and no sure thing. PER data from Basketball-Reference.com. Defensive PPP rankings from SynergySports. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 最後 美國討論版那位堅持DW是Wade 2.0 換Love剛剛好的騎士迷還在繼續奮戰 只挑幾個我看過會笑的灰狼迷回應 看過笑笑就好 * You and your cav fans buddies been running your mouths about how Wiggins for Love is not going to happen. Now you can see it is very reasonable, in fact cavs must add additional value. Now you are posting some stupid stuff like TT and Waiters for Gibson is worth entertaining. Also stop with the "we the north" crap. Minneapolis is much more northern than Toronto, we are the true north. * Tired of you people offer ridiculously stupid contrarian opinions, then moving onto less stupid demands and ideas like putting in Dieng as this trade progresses. Stop, understand how the NBA works, then listen about what the true value is of these NBA players. * So many Cavs fans are so unclassy I think I'd rather see Love traded to the Bulls. Be easier to root for him there with a much better fanbase... 但我比較想看另外一隊崩潰耶~~~~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 149.159.17.193 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Timberwolves/M.1406319273.A.AB5.html

07/26 06:38, , 1F
騎版還在幻想Love被交易到別隊會跳出跟他們簽約...
07/26 06:38, 1F

07/26 06:38, , 2F
也不看看它們還有沒有空間裸簽Love
07/26 06:38, 2F

07/26 06:48, , 3F
wow, yy大你太猛了,不過金塊那邊真的不太懂,跳豆
07/26 06:48, 3F

07/26 06:48, , 4F
!?老桑要undersized的球員真難得
07/26 06:48, 4F

07/26 07:36, , 5F
因為JJB每次對金塊都骰到"大吉",既然守不住他就得到他吧!
07/26 07:36, 5F

07/26 07:55, , 6F
Report: Knicks offered Amar'e, Shumpert,Hardaway Jr.
07/26 07:55, 6F

07/26 07:56, , 7F
for Kevin Love
07/26 07:56, 7F

07/26 07:56, , 8F
禪師你別來亂了 lol
07/26 07:56, 8F

07/26 08:15, , 9F
Knicks這一包真的太幽默了lol
07/26 08:15, 9F

07/26 08:17, , 10F
跳豆是比JJB好很多的板凳暴徒 而且也是2M到期約
07/26 08:17, 10F

07/26 08:21, , 11F
問題是他ACL也傷了 不知下季哪時回來
07/26 08:21, 11F

07/26 08:24, , 12F
Cavs那則新聞我也看到了 說的是名嘴 他們有這麼幻想的權利
07/26 08:24, 12F

07/26 08:25, , 13F
但..明年到時他們還是得賤賣雙寶TT, DW 甚至加AB 來清空間
07/26 08:25, 13F

07/26 08:26, , 14F
TT+DW的價值高到換Love剛剛好 這樣怎麼賤賣的下去呢??
07/26 08:26, 14F

07/26 08:26, , 15F
讓我們繼續看下去~~~~~
07/26 08:26, 15F

07/26 08:38, , 16F
Wade2.0! 應該是破產版本
07/26 08:38, 16F

07/26 08:39, , 17F
可能在期待用中產簽吧 不然那消息真是令人匪夷所思
07/26 08:39, 17F

07/26 08:51, , 18F
這樣換我可以喔!
07/26 08:51, 18F

07/26 09:08, , 19F
金塊那邊沒道理啊
07/26 09:08, 19F

07/26 09:21, , 20F
金塊那邊我已經很努力在解釋了....(別打我~~~~~~~~~~~~><
07/26 09:21, 20F

07/26 09:21, , 21F
消息來源說他朋友很確定提到的球員人名 但選秀權部分
07/26 09:21, 21F

07/26 09:23, , 22F
是屬於哪一隊 第一輪還是第二輪 都沒聽清楚 so.....
07/26 09:23, 22F

07/26 09:52, , 23F
哈哈yy大沒有啦,我只是好奇跳豆這種靠爆發力的球員
07/26 09:52, 23F

07/26 09:52, , 24F
傷了ACL, 下一季的狀態應該會差很多才這麼好奇
07/26 09:52, 24F

07/26 10:07, , 25F
金塊中鋒部分是合理的 之前選秀之後Nuric想來nba 就有
07/26 10:07, 25F

07/26 10:07, , 26F
要清空間的傳言
07/26 10:07, 26F

07/26 10:07, , 27F
......
07/26 10:07, 27F

07/26 10:08, , 28F
這樣換騎士最補 再來灰狼 金塊
07/26 10:08, 28F

07/26 10:21, , 29F
其實這個還可以
07/26 10:21, 29F

07/26 10:33, , 30F
整個看起來很合理 就金塊小虧 他們需要清中鋒不意外
07/26 10:33, 30F

07/26 10:35, , 31F
但Mozgov價值這麼低就意外了 照消息來源說法 如果下禮拜
07/26 10:35, 31F

07/26 10:35, , 32F
第一部分交易沒有發生 就是純唬爛的灌水文啦~~XD
07/26 10:35, 32F

07/26 10:37, , 33F
但我比較喜歡Thaddeus Young一起打包過來的傳言~~
07/26 10:37, 33F

07/26 10:38, , 34F
爽到很難相信就是
07/26 10:38, 34F

07/26 11:04, , 35F
應該再加個Thaddeus Young過來
07/26 11:04, 35F

07/26 11:08, , 36F
這則乳摸最扯的就是上大號偷聽到的這件事
07/26 11:08, 36F

07/26 11:09, , 37F
這樣說就是將會發生與金塊交易,要是成真就有很大的吻合性
07/26 11:09, 37F

07/26 11:12, , 38F
灰狼沒有壓力,Love沒法拿翹,這種情況真的很難懂嗎?
07/26 11:12, 38F

07/26 11:12, , 39F
嘿,這我們交易走眾狼巴不得快走的JJB,但我們的
07/26 11:12, 39F
還有 38 則推文
07/26 13:51, , 78F
that supports anything. Just posturing that will only
07/26 13:51, 78F

07/26 13:52, , 79F
get worse.
07/26 13:52, 79F

07/26 13:54, , 80F
鋒線真的很擠,一方面有新秀要養,Brewer的功能也接近可
07/26 13:54, 80F

07/26 13:54, , 81F
取代掉,尤其交易完成後
07/26 13:54, 81F

07/26 13:54, , 82F
基本上這樣的戲碼放到公牛或勇士都行,就算Love的經紀人對騎
07/26 13:54, 82F

07/26 13:56, , 83F
士管理層表達愛意那又如何?灰狼的立場還不都一樣
07/26 13:56, 83F

07/26 13:57, , 84F
剛剛想了一下才發現真的很擠...不過不管怎樣得先等交易成真
07/26 13:57, 84F

07/26 13:57, , 85F
再說
07/26 13:57, 85F

07/26 14:09, , 86F
Love絕對有跟灰狼表示他想去騎士的想法,而且也有可能是高
07/26 14:09, 86F

07/26 14:12, , 87F
程度的意願,但除非他和他的團隊是腦殘,才會把可能把範圍縮
07/26 14:12, 87F

07/26 14:14, , 88F
成一隊,逼灰狼對他沒好處,灰狼不會搞自己,成全他,除非他
07/26 14:14, 88F

07/26 14:15, , 89F
打定今年灰狼不給他,明年他就投奔湖人
07/26 14:15, 89F

07/26 14:16, , 90F
剛看到一個很棒的評論
07/26 14:16, 90F

07/26 14:16, , 91F
Love demands trade to CLE, Cavs decrease offer,
07/26 14:16, 91F

07/26 14:16, , 92F
Flip says screw you, Love ends up in Minn another year
07/26 14:16, 92F

07/26 14:17, , 93F
Love opts out and goes into free agency a year too soon
07/26 14:17, 93F

07/26 14:17, , 94F
LBJ's window becomes one year shorter with one year
07/26 14:17, 94F

07/26 14:18, , 95F
left on his contract, and Love's agent pisses off NBA
07/26 14:18, 95F

07/26 14:18, , 96F
Not a smart move by Love or a BS story by Amico.
07/26 14:18, 96F

07/26 14:31, , 97F
兩廂其害,不得其利,到最後兩方都沒得到想要的
07/26 14:31, 97F

07/26 14:43, , 98F
要求被交易跟要求被交易到特定球隊是兩種完全不同狀況
07/26 14:43, 98F

07/26 14:43, , 99F
還沒看過任何人做過這種要求 如果是真的 那我只能說Love
07/26 14:43, 99F

07/26 14:44, , 100F
跟他的團隊很愚蠢 至於騎士版說他很聰明 而且想幫騎士
07/26 14:44, 100F

07/26 14:44, , 101F
換到他又不要大失血 這種稱讚真的看過笑笑就好XD
07/26 14:44, 101F

07/26 15:01, , 102F
拿翹的話,灰狼再關他一年就好了啊
07/26 15:01, 102F

07/26 15:05, , 103F
呵,這個世界越來越有趣
07/26 15:05, 103F

07/26 15:17, , 104F
老桑似乎不賣KM了,大概拿布丁狗夾選秀權拿去賣吧
07/26 15:17, 104F

07/26 15:25, , 105F
越來越有趣了,我等不及要看結果了,好興奮
07/26 15:25, 105F

07/26 15:27, , 106F
用廁所偷聽來判斷真假很瞎,我也不相信有廁所偷聽這回事,只
07/26 15:27, 106F

07/26 15:29, , 107F
是個爛情境,只是為了說這個小道消息而已,跟張友樺說這件是
07/26 15:29, 107F

07/26 15:31, , 108F
只有當事人知道,我知道,還有一個我不能說,不是一樣嗎?
07/26 15:31, 108F

07/26 15:52, , 109F
結果呢結果呢結果呢
07/26 15:52, 109F

07/26 16:17, , 110F
Love願意放棄鳥權我也會跟他說好棒棒祝福他的
07/26 16:17, 110F

07/26 23:10, , 111F
love好像放棄參加美國隊了...
07/26 23:10, 111F

07/26 23:38, , 112F
順便一提,AW好像也沒有參加加拿大國家隊喔XD
07/26 23:38, 112F

07/26 23:45, , 113F
這樣也好 免得交易中止
07/26 23:45, 113F

07/26 23:56, , 114F
Love完全把自己當FA看待了XDD 真有趣
07/26 23:56, 114F

07/26 23:58, , 115F
其實去年Pek也是因為要簽約所以沒參加國家隊,不過Love還滿
07/26 23:58, 115F

07/26 23:59, , 116F
愛國的,滿驚訝他最後會做出這個決定,想必是經紀人極力勸退
07/26 23:59, 116F

07/27 00:21, , 117F
因為FA等簽約不打國家對很常見 要求交易而不打就特別了
07/27 00:21, 117F
文章代碼(AID): #1Jqhgfgr (Timberwolves)
文章代碼(AID): #1Jqhgfgr (Timberwolves)