[心得] Intel 到底說了啥

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安安各位 看到板上亂糟糟 讓我們來看看 Intel CEO Gelsinger 到底說了啥 Gelsinger shared his vision for “IDM 2.0,” a major evolution of Intel’s integrated device manufacturing (IDM) model. Intel CEO 提出了所謂的 IDM 2.0 計畫, 並且把他列為 Intel 接下來發展的 "Vision", 國外的企業非常重視所謂的願景, 所以基本上他就是未來 Intel 在 integrated device manufacturer 上面的重大發展方向. 所以整場重點就是這個 IDM 2.0 IDM 2.0 represents the combination of three components that will enable the company to drive sustained technology and product leadership: IDM 2.0 主要有 3 個要點, 可以讓 Intel 保持技術/產品領導地位. 基本上就是再次闡述這個 IDM 2.0 的重要性 1. Intel’s global, internal factory network for at-scale manufacturing is a key competitive advantage that enables product optimization, improved economics and supply resilience. Today, Gelsinger re-affirmed the company’s expectation to continue manufacturing the majority of its products internally. The company’s 7nm development is progressing well, driven by increased use of extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) in a rearchitected, simplified process flow. Intel expects to tape in the compute tile for its first 7nm client CPU (code-named “Meteor Lake”) in the second quarter of this year. In addition to process innovation, Intel’s leadership in packaging technology is an important differentiator that enables the combination of multiple IPs or “tiles” to deliver uniquely tailored products that meet diverse customer requirements in a world of pervasive computing. Intel CEO 重申 (re-affirmed) 希望 Intel 可以繼續在內部製造他們絕大多數的產品. 並且表明 Intel 7nm 目前的開發計畫順利, 已經導入跟台積電/三星一樣的 EUV 技術, 預計今年第 2 季會將 7nm 技術用於下一代的 Meteor Lake 中. 註: Meteor Lake 是 Intel 2023 要問世的 CPU 代號 --- 順帶來看看台積電的 Vision 願景成為全球最先進及最大的專業積體電路技術及製造服務業者，並且與我們無晶圓廠設 計公司及整合元件製造商的客戶群共同組成半導體產業中堅強的競爭團隊。 --- 2. Expanded use of third-party foundry capacity. Intel expects to build on its existing relationships with third-party foundries, which today manufacture a range of Intel technology – from communications and connectivity to graphics and chipsets. Gelsinger said he expects Intel’s engagement with third-party foundries to grow and to include manufacturing for a range of modular tiles on advanced process technologies, including products at the core of Intel’s computing offerings for both client and data center segments beginning in 2023. This will provide the increased flexibility and scale needed to optimize Intel’s roadmaps for cost, performance, schedule and supply, giving the company a unique competitive advantage. Intel 之前就有外包通訊(communications)/圖形(graphics) 相關晶片給第三方代工廠. Intel 2023 年開始, 會在現有的合作基礎上, 將部份 client (消費者端)/data center(資料中心) 使用的 Intel CPU 外包出去. 部份的外包有助於 Intel 維持彈性/預算控制/保持競爭力. --- 補充: CEO 的原話確實有提到 2023 年會跟 TSMC 合作去製造 CPU: “For our 2023 roadmap, we will also leverage our relationship with TSMC to deliver additional leadership CPU products for our client and data center customers. This is the power of our new IDM 2.0 model combined with a modular approach to design and Intel’s industry leading packaging technologies.” 會跟 TSMC 一起合作帶給大家更多領先的產品 (leadership CPU) 所以應該不是菜雞產品 3. Building a world-class foundry business, Intel Foundry Services. Intel announced plans to become a major provider of U.S.– and Europe-based foundry capacity to serve the incredible global demand for semiconductor manufacturing. To deliver this vision, Intel is establishing a new standalone business unit, Intel Foundry Services (IFS), led by semiconductor industry veteran Dr. Randhir Thakur, who will report directly to Gelsinger. IFS will be differentiated from other foundry offerings with a combination of leading-edge process technology and packaging, committed capacity in the U.S. and Europe, and a world-class IP portfolio for customers, including x86 cores as well as ARM and RISC-V ecosystem IPs. Gelsinger noted that Intel’s foundry plans have already received strong enthusiasm and statements of support from across the industry. 最後這段, Intel 要成立世界一流 (world-class) 的代工廠. 他們的目標是要成為美國跟歐洲的主要晶片代工廠, 滿足全球對於晶片驚人的需求. 為了要完成這個願景 (Vision) Intel 成立了 Intel Foundry Services, 由 Dr. Randhir Thakur 負責, 並且直接匯報給 Intel CEO. 後面有提到這間代工廠是要提供最先進製程技術 (leading-edge technology). 目標的代工產品包括了現今主流 CPU 架構: x86/ARM/RISC-V. Intel CEO 說這個計畫已經得到了業界的強烈支持. This build-out represents an investment of approximately $20 billion, which is expected to create over 3,000 permanent high-tech, high-wage jobs; over 3,000 construction jobs; and approximately 15,000 local long-term jobs Intel 預計投入 $200 億鎂 (約台幣 5600 億) 預計會提供 3,000 個高科技工作機會, 以及 15,000 個穩定工作機會給當地. Today, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo participated with Intel executives in the announcement Arizona 洲政府也確定要陪 Intel 玩這個計畫. --- 結論 --- 今天會多空不明的原因就是媒體各自擷取了 IDM 2.0 中的 2, 3 點出來講 Intel 為了保有 CPU 領先的地位, 所以海納百川加大跟第三方代工廠的合作. 同時也決定要自己跳下去做晶圓代工. 然後我還是重申, 美國企業對於願景 (Vision) 非常重視, 基本上能放到 Vision 的就是跟你玩真的. 至於是多是空呢 就留給大家討論. --- Reference 1. [Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger Announces ‘IDM 2.0’ Strategy for Manufacturing, Innovation and Product Leadership]( https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/idm-manufacturing-innovation-product-leadership/) 2. [Intel Unleashed: Engineering the Future]( https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2021/03/CEO-Gelsinger-quotes-57285720.pdf) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.34.224.21 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Stock/M.1616582610.A.D13.html ※ 編輯: golang (114.34.224.21 臺灣), 03/24/2021 18:45:19
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03/24 18:45, 3年前 , 1F
難怪外資狂賣gg
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美國直接禁止中共買晶片設備比較快
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03/24 18:47, 3年前 , 3F
說 你們別抄底
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03/24 18:47, 3年前 , 4F
輪班星人正式與外星人決戰
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※ 編輯: golang (114.34.224.21 臺灣), 03/24/2021 18:51:25
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03/24 18:48, 3年前 , 5F
笑死 研發不出來 = 我們標準比較嚴格
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03/24 18:48, 3年前 , 6F
所以導致牙膏14++++++ 呀
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03/24 18:49, 3年前 , 7F
外資認為是高點，所以留著一千萬張股票等下跌賣
03/24 18:49, 7F
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03/24 18:49, 3年前 , 8F
瞭解 全力作空了
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03/24 18:50, 3年前 , 9F
其實以前就做過代工, 以前賠錢的問題不解決
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03/24 18:50, 3年前 , 10F
重點是intel 行動裝置晶片作很爛
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03/24 18:50, 3年前 , 11F
最後還是賠錢....
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03/24 18:51, 3年前 , 12F
卡在14nm多久了 還在密度...
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03/24 18:51, 3年前 , 13F
感覺是為了給美國(本土化)跟股東(製造分開)一個交代
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03/24 18:51, 3年前 , 14F
顯卡代工比較機會
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03/24 18:52, 3年前 , 15F
還是要看美國散戶買不買單，結案
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03/24 18:52, 3年前 , 16F
嘴砲還翻譯，你的CPU拿出來打臉看衰的啊
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03/24 18:52, 3年前 , 17F
實際上就是密度輸人
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03/24 18:52, 3年前 , 18F
機翻如下：咦？
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03/24 18:53, 3年前 , 19F
每一家公司都有vision啦，問題是能成功的有幾個
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等蘋果越南印度製造
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03/24 18:53, 3年前 , 21F
就被5900屌打啊 乾
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03/24 18:53, 3年前 , 22F
以前可以嘴密度，現在是全部都輸
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03/24 18:54, 3年前 , 23F
不然美國政策供應鏈轉移太慢
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03/24 18:54, 3年前 , 24F
一件事說了要持續做才正確
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03/24 19:00, 3年前 , 25F
可以提一下良率嗎？
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※ 編輯: golang (114.34.224.21 臺灣), 03/24/2021 19:02:06
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03/24 19:02, 3年前 , 26F
2023以前還是要靠祖傳14nm++++++跟DUV多重曝光硬幹
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03/24 19:06, 3年前 , 27F
intel 好了啦～笑～
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03/24 19:10, 3年前 , 28F
業界都很樂見i皇可以逼GG降價
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03/24 19:11, 3年前 , 29F
美國放上去會玩真的但做不做得到是另一回事
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AMD表示樂見i皇代工
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03/24 19:20, 3年前 , 31F
7nm卡關這麼久 每次都說順利
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03/24 19:23, 3年前 , 32F
這篇推
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戰起來
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03/24 19:49, 3年前 , 34F
標準不懂裝懂!!!!
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03/24 19:55, 3年前 , 35F
所以勒？玩真的就會超過gg？ 又有誰是在玩假的？
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03/24 19:56, 3年前 , 36F
有哪個公司沒vision啊= =
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03/24 19:56, 3年前 , 37F
你當美國這幾年都在耍廢? intel面對amd追趕還不認真
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03/24 19:56, 3年前 , 38F
？
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03/24 19:56, 3年前 , 39F
路口便當店的公司?
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03/24 20:13, 3年前 , 40F
笑死，7nm現在都在搞finFET立體架構，是要怎麼跟以
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03/24 20:13, 3年前 , 41F
前14nm時代比電晶體密度？牙膏廠不要再自爽了好嗎
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不甩他
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03/24 20:27, 3年前 , 43F
很像自嗨老師傅輸給科技的那種劇情
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03/24 20:28, 3年前 , 44F
做不出來還是空的啊
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03/24 20:44, 3年前 , 45F
Intel 抱緊製造，那IDM大概窒礙難行
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03/24 20:51, 3年前 , 47F
所以明天是會漲還是會跌？
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移除掉有關密度的拙見
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03/24 21:02, 3年前 , 48F
爽撿鑽石
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※ 編輯: golang (114.34.224.21 臺灣), 03/24/2021 21:17:17 ※ 編輯: golang (114.34.224.21 臺灣), 03/24/2021 21:28:43
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03/24 22:03, 3年前 , 49F
VISION就每家自己喊阿，我也可以說我的VISION是變成
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03/24 22:03, 3年前 , 50F
航海王阿，有很厲害？
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03/24 22:39, 3年前 , 51F
是說會做起來早就起來了
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03/25 00:57, 3年前 , 52F
推整理
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03/25 02:15, 3年前 , 53F
牙膏廠幾年前的技術就落後了 現在還想拼代工 恐怕
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03/25 02:15, 3年前 , 54F
跟三星比都輸吧
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03/25 02:47, 3年前 , 55F
所以三星玩假的嗎？Amd以前也自己做，做心酸？
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03/25 07:56, 3年前 , 56F
他真的很人格分裂，要別人幫忙又要打別人，人家又
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03/25 07:56, 3年前 , 57F
不是白痴
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