Re: [論述] 要如何實踐以國際法法理建國的目標?

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底下只是提供美國官方文件的內容. 席伯德(William Sebald)對日本大使館陳述日本對蘇聯針對齒舞和色丹群島邊界劃定的 讓步是違反(舊金山)條約. 依舊金山條約千島群島跟琉球群島以相同的方式處理, 而美國同意依條約日本對琉球群 島有剩餘主權. http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1955-57v23p1/d89 時間: 1956年 ... He(Shigemitsu)說剩下僅有的議題是領土的問題. 蘇聯希望在齒舞群島(Habomai) 和色丹島(Shikotan)的北方劃定邊界. 他(Shigemitsu)詢問這樣的邊界依舊金山條約觀 點是否合法. 他(Shigemitsu)說席伯德(William Sebald)在華盛頓對日本大使館陳述這 樣的讓步(concession)是違反條約(contravention of the Treaty). concession: something that is allowed or given up, often in order to end a disagreement, or the act of allowing or giving this. contravene: to do something that a law or rule does not allow, or to break a law or rule. ... He said the only remaining point at issue was the territorial question. The Soviet Union wished to draw a boundary line to the north of Habomai and Shikotan. He inquired whether such a boundary would be legal from the point of view of the San Francisco Treaty. He said that Mr. Sebald had stated to the Japanese Embassy in Washington that such a concession would be in contravention of the Treaty. (美國)國務卿(Dulles)提醒 Shigemitsu 千島群島和琉球群島在投降條款(surrender terms)裡是以相同的方式處理, 而且美國同意依條約日本對琉球仍有剩餘主權... The Secretary reminded Mr. Shigemitsu that the Kuriles and Ryukyus were handled in the same manner under the surrender terms and that while the United States had by the peace treaty agreed that residual sovereignty to the Ryukyus might remain with Japan, ... http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=turn&id= FRUS.FRUS195254v14p2&entity=FRUS.FRUS195254v14p2.p0266&isize=text&q1= residual 依據和平條約第二款, 日本放棄對韓國, 福爾摩沙, 千島群島, 庫頁島 ... 的 權利. 那可以被推論日本對那些同意託管的群島擁有最終的主權是被承認的.這 個想法是被 Dulles 和英國代表 Younger (勉強)承認(conceded). Dulles 提到 目前日本的形勢(position)如同"剩餘主權". In Article 2 of the Peace Treaty, Japan renounced right, title and claim to Korea, Formosa, the Kuriles, Sakhalin, the Mandated Islands, Antarctic area, the Spratly Islands and the Paracel Is- lands. It may be inferred that ultimate Japanese sovereignty was recognized over the islands she agreed to place in trusteeship. This conception was conceded by Mr. Dulles (page 78, Dept. State Publi- cation 4392) 8 and by Mr. Younger, the U.K. delegate (page 93, Dept. State Publication 4392). Mr. Dulles speaks of the current Jap- anese position as "residual sovereignty". ※ 引述《TheRock (就是這樣)》之銘言: ... : 日本已經在舊金山和約徹底放棄臺澎主權, : 相對於日本未放棄主權,僅約定在交聯合國託管前由美國管理的琉球, : 日本對臺澎並沒有所謂剩餘主權,... ... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.243.93.65 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PublicIssue/M.1429286720.A.C2F.html ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:05:54 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:06:09 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:06:38 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:09:09 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:09:22 ※ 編輯: n3oanderson (111.243.93.65), 04/18/2015 00:10:54

04/18 00:15, , 1F
在舊金山和約裡日本同意交付託管的只有第三條所列地區,
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04/18 00:16, , 2F
台灣在第二條。請把整篇文章內容看清楚。不是放在同一段
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04/18 00:16, , 3F
就表示都是一樣的東西。臺澎在舊金山和約第二條,請問條
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04/18 00:17, , 4F
約第二條有出現 trusteeship 這個字嗎?該篇文章前面先列
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04/18 00:17, , 5F
推論的結論 用語一樣的台灣和千島 等於琉球
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04/18 00:18, , 6F
出合約條文,明顯可看出第二條僅放棄,關於琉球的第三條
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04/18 00:18, , 7F
才出現 trusteeship。然後他說日本同意交付託管的部分算
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04/18 00:19, , 8F
是有剩餘主權。言下之意就是條文裡沒說要交付託管的部分
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04/18 00:20, , 9F
就沒有剩餘主權這東西。臺澎列在第二條,沒有交付託管。
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04/18 00:22, , 10F
他的看法是 日本對千葉群島主張主權
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04/18 00:22, , 11F
那麼以同樣方式放棄的台灣也能用一樣的方式主張
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04/18 00:28, , 12F
不過 美國倒是沒說過日本對台灣的主權還剩什麼
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04/18 00:29, , 13F
這裡我有個疑問
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04/18 00:30, , 14F
地區主權屬於誰是否得經主權國家宣示而存在?
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04/18 00:49, , 15F
建議看完整篇,去體會對話的目的跟脈絡,不要只看片段。
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