Re: [討論] 被極權尃制統治,還有公民嗎?
※ 引述《uka123ily (NUNCA MAS)》之銘言:
: 我必須要補充一下,
: 首先防禦性民主的概念,下面提到對於憲法秩序的破壞。
: 1. 最重要的是基本權利保障,因為沒有基本權利保障就沒有民主。
: 2. 再來就是民主的程序正義,因為通常民主退化就是程序的破壞。
: 納粹之所以會被認為是違憲,這邊提到「寬容」。
: 寬容是什麼?寬容就是承認存在,並且有存活的空間。
: 納粹的作為就是利用民主制度(其實也不怎麼民主),去不承認其他的存在。
: 這些包含:其他意識型態與政治主張、「異議者權利」等。
: 今天說有人來主張統一論,要用防禦式民主,這是有問題的。
: 第一,統一論,並不必然牽涉民主的毀滅。我前面舉了歐盟的例子。
五毛的統一論,就是統一在極權中共的統治之下
這勢必造成台灣民主的毀滅
: 統一的最根本意義就是領土與主權範圍的變更,
: 任意擴張解釋到防禦式民主的憲法不得變更領土與主權範圍是有點可笑。
: 不能直接預設他人會採取主張什麼樣的政治體制,該政治體制必然有什麼樣的後果,
: 然後逕自認定這樣會破壞民主的程序,這樣就是過度推論。
: 第二,統一論,目前沒有明確提及台灣人民基本權利存在的風險。
: 要明確針對到底是怎麼樣的統一模式才能審查,
: 否則支持民主中國統一就也是招受無妄之災。
五毛的統一論,就是剝奪台灣人民現有的權利。
被共產中國統一的地區,有哪一個人民基本權利沒有被剝奪的?
看看西藏和香港吧
: 不能自己預設人家是採取高壓與血腥的統一模式,而逕自主張防禦式民主。
: 這樣反而會自己跨過去防禦式民主的底線。
: 因為這樣的強烈的主張,反而是明確無法寬容「異議者權利」的存在。
大家反對的是,五毛的"支持極權中共統治台灣"的統一言論,
而不是所有對於統一的意見都要排除。
我認為就這點引用防禦性民主並無不當
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※ 編輯: ienari (61.231.98.138), 06/13/2014 02:23:36
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