[討論] 關於看不見稀有怪的機制

看板PokemonGO作者 (skynight)時間7年前 (2017/05/23 13:24), 7年前編輯推噓28(28推 0噓 34→)
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https://goo.gl/eEcgU4 Niantic’s latest security measure introduced “rare blinding” for suspicious accounts. The security measure prevents certain accounts from seeing any rare spawns in the wild. Although controversial, the security measure proved wildly successful, as it i nduced a large amount of panic and disarray in the botting and tracking commun ity. Multiple malicious platforms (account sellers and bot providers) announce d a temporary inability to provide high level botted accounts! And while the legitimate player base is, mostly, celebrating the new security update, others do not share their excitement. In order to learn more about the effect of this measure, we reached out to a n umber of “informants” that are tightly connected to several third party deve lopers. Our sources have confirmed the following: Third party developers have no idea how the new security measure works Although the exact number of blinded accounts is impossible to determine, earl y estimates range from tens to hundreds of thousands. Blinded accounts were created in the past 3-6 months, indicating that Niantic has been collecting the data for quite a while Although unverified, the word on the street is that machine learning has final ly been employed — a number of “looking legitimate” bot accounts are still not blinded Not everyone has the same experience, with some botters claiming zero accounts blinded, and others reporting complete annihilation of their account farm. All in all, it seems that Niantic’s new security measure was very successful. Although bots are trying to regroup and rebuild their account farms, it’s go ing very slowly. 大家覺得這機制如何？？ 我覺得不錯,最少有制止到國外的飛人跟賣號網站. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.83.193.100 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PokemonGO/M.1495517061.A.03D.html
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05/23 13:24, , 1F
這排版太猛
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05/23 13:30, , 2F
已經被破解了吧？
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不期不待 不信不會誤判 不相信殺狗有用
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※ 編輯: jacky86116 (111.83.193.100), 05/23/2017 13:37:41 ※ 編輯: jacky86116 (111.83.193.100), 05/23/2017 13:38:14
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05/23 13:38, , 4F
were氲reated湶n 這是哪國文字？
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05/23 13:39, , 5F
好歹縮一下網址 直接看原文比較快 https://goo.gl/eEcgU4
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05/23 13:44, , 6F
我調整一下
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※ 編輯: jacky86116 (111.83.193.100), 05/23/2017 13:49:18 ※ 編輯: jacky86116 (111.83.193.100), 05/23/2017 13:51:25
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05/23 13:54, , 7F
請講中文
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05/23 13:58, , 8F
OGCeveryhour 我有朋友已經被誤判
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05/23 14:24, , 11F
所以找寶貝是因為這機制死了一堆LV30帳號?
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05/23 14:24, , 12F
那又是怎麼復活的?
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05/23 14:28, , 13F
那篇文章沒說被破解，只是 bot 程式有辦法知道自己被封了
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05/23 14:56, , 14F
bot 跟 real player 玩這 game 有很大的差異性
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例如舉個簡單例子,一個30級,但從不進化半隻怪的帳號
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在判定上是認為是 real player or bot ?
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05/23 14:58, , 17F
又或者是一個帳號,24hr 都在接收資料,這是bot or human?
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05/23 15:22, , 18F
未察，繼續抓寶
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還有bot是否就不會孵蛋?真實玩家不太可能不孵蛋
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我現在看不到找寶貝顯示的化石翼龍
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05/23 16:14, , 21F
樓上的有炎上了嗎？
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05/23 16:19, , 22F
今天遇到一位開車追怪的玩家，也是看不到由基拉
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我覺得案例不夠多或者真的被這樣鎖也不知道，一把火
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燒不起來啦XD
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一堆人在抓三聖鳥...只有自己看不到應該會怒刪遊戲...
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三聖鳥是誰...是波波,咕咕和嘟嘟嗎?
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烈雀 烈空座 烈焰馬
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這樣以後上高鐵或是坐飛機之前...敢抓怪嗎...
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05/23 17:05, , 29F
我覺得是登入式iv程式的問題
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05/23 17:10, , 30F
所以樓上有用登入是的iv程式嗎?
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05/23 17:34, , 31F
有，iv go + all g2
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也有人說用了沒被鎖，所以自己斟酌一下
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05/23 18:21, , 33F
我用ivfly被鎖，也給大家參考一下…
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05/23 18:35, , 34F
有allg被鎖的嗎
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05/23 18:54, , 35F
跟是否使用第三方程式應該沒啥關係，單純就是用玩家
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行為模式等等資料演算去辨別是活人還是非活人
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之前被警告的，大概就是早在辨別機制還在測試階段就
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被抓出，很明顯的那種
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用了半年all g2都沒被鎖過，想查就查
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之前就勸過朋友，用雷達也不要衝到現場才開遊戲，不
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然位置歷程紀錄之後一定會被關切，果不其然，他剛剛
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說被鎖稀有怪惹
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有PLUS的追怪就連一下吧 至少有移動軌跡的紀錄
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坐捷運被鎖過。是因為軌跡變成地鼠型？
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我不是到當地才開的
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有大量資料，就可用分析出活人跟機器的差別
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行為太像歸納出來的機器行為，就被鎖
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BOT 係循著設計者給的邏輯模式去運作
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人則否
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簡單說就是靠遊玩紀數據判斷行為模式 是這樣理解嗎@@ ?
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用All G沒出事啊 這兩天抓了七八隻油雞了 白天以館
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前路為中心 晚上華山和剛剛中正紀念堂也出高IV的
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活動區一直在市中心只能當課長感到已欣慰 當然啦
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你抓一隻就查一隻我就不敢保證了
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我都開著遊戲直接查iv也一直都沒事
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我昨天也正常，直到今天這樣我才相信，剛剛問一個也
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是這樣阿伯，他根本沒飛，每天都出來追，到底我們做
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什麼我也滿想知道的
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其他行為模式也差不多的阿伯也問過，就是沒被屏蔽
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L大我跟你一樣啊 拍拍
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我們互相取暖好了，幹不對，現在是夏天
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空軍沒殺到 先殺死一堆陸軍
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