Re: [討論] 一個狀元要打出什麼成績才算符合身價

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明星賽入選次數 Win Shares RK Year Player AS RK Year Player WS 1 1969 Lew Alcindor* 19 1 1969 Lew Alcindor 273.4 2 2003 LeBron James 16 2 2003 LeBron James 236.1 3 1992 Shaq O'Neal 15 3 1997 Tim Duncan 206.4 1997 Tim Duncan 15 4 1960 Oscar Robertson 189.2 5 1960 Oscar Robertson 12 5 1992 Shaq O'Neal 181.7 1968 Elvin Hayes 12 6 1987 David Robinson 178.7 1979 Magic Johnson 12 7 1984 Hakeem Olajuwon 162.8 1984 Hakeem Olajuwon 12 8 1979 Magic Johnson 155.8 9 1958 Elgin Baylor 11 9 2004 Dwight Howard 133.9 1985 Patrick Ewing 11 10 1961 Walt Bellamy 130.0 1996 Allen Iverson 11 11 1985 Patrick Ewing 126.4 12 1987 David Robinson 10 12 1968 Elvin Hayes 120.8 13 1970 Bob Lanier 8 13 1970 Bob Lanier 117.1 2002 Yao Ming 8 14 1999 Elton Brand 109.6 2004 Dwight Howard 8 15 1958 Elgin Baylor 104.2 16 1982 James Worthy 7 16 1996 Allen Iverson 99.0 17 2009 Blake Griffin 6 17 1993 Chris Webber 84.7 18 1986 Brad Daugherty 5 18 1982 James Worthy 81.2 1993 Chris Webber 5 19 2009 Blake Griffin 75.2 2010 John Wall 5 20 1991 Larry Johnson 69.7 RK Year Player AS RK Year Player WS 21 1961 Walt Bellamy 4 21 1981 Mark Aguirre 67.8 1973 Doug Collins 4 22 2002 Yao Ming 65.9 1975 David Thompson 4 23 1986 Brad Daugherty 65.2 1983 Ralph Sampson 4 24 1990 Derrick Coleman 64.3 25 1981 Mark Aguirre 3 25 1959 Bob Boozer 64.2 2008 Derrick Rose 3 26 1975 David Thompson 63.3 27 1954 Frank Selvy 2 27 1995 Joe Smith 60.3 1957 Rod Hundley 2 28 1978 Mychal Thompson 59.1 1967 Jimmy Walker 2 29 1988 Danny Manning 55.1 1974 Bill Walton 2 30 1976 John Lucas 53.7 1988 Danny Manning 2 31 1966 Cazzie Russell 51.7 1991 Larry Johnson 2 32 2005 Andrew Bogut 50.6 1994 Glenn Robinson 2 33 2000 Kenyon Martin 48.0 1999 Elton Brand 2 34 2010 John Wall 44.3 35 1953 Ray Felix 1 35 1967 Jimmy Walker 42.9 1959 Bob Boozer 1 36 1950 Charlie Share 40.9 1966 Cazzie Russell 1 37 1994 Glenn Robinson 39.8 1971 Austin Carr 1 38 2008 Derrick Rose 39.7 1980 J. Carroll 1 39 1953 Ray Felix 39.6 1990 Derrick Coleman* 1 40 1974 Bill Walton 39.3 RK Year Player AS RK Year Player WS 2000 Kenyon Martin 1 41 1973 Doug Collins 38.0 42 1950 Charlie Share 0 42 1980 J. Carroll 35.6 1951 Gene Melchiorre* 0 43 1977 Kent Benson 33.6 1952 Mark Workman 0 44 1971 Austin Carr 32.9 1955 Dick Ricketts 0 45 1989 Pervis Ellison 21.8 1956 Sihugo Green 0 46 2001 Kwame Brown 20.8 1962 Bill McGill 0 47 1983 Ralph Sampson 20.1 1963 Art Heyman 0 48 1963 Art Heyman 19.3 1964 Jim Barnes 0 49 2006 Andrea Bargnani 18.9 1965 Fred Hetzel 0 50 1954 Frank Selvy 17.9 1972 LaRue Martin 0 51 1962 Bill McGill 16.9 1976 John Lucas 0 52 1965 Fred Hetzel 15.9 1977 Kent Benson 0 53 1964 Jim Barnes 14.2 1978 Mychal Thompson 0 54 1956 Sihugo Green 10.0 1989 Pervis Ellison 0 55 2007 Greg Oden 7.3 1995 Joe Smith 0 56 1957 Rod Hundley 4.3 1998 M. Olowokandi 0 57 1998 M. Olowokandi 2.5 2001 Kwame Brown 0 58 1955 Dick Ricketts 2.1 2005 Andrew Bogut* 0 59 1972 LaRue Martin 1.9 2006 Andrea Bargnani 0 60 1951 Gene Melchiorre 0 2007 Greg Oden 0 61 1952 Mark Workman -1.2 平均 4.1 平均 69.3 中位數 2.0 中位數 52.7 --------------------------------------------------------- 資料來源：https://www.basketball-reference.com/ * Lew Alcindor 為賈霸(Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)原名 * Derrick Coleman 曾入選兩次三隊 * Gene Melchiorre 因假球案從未在NBA出賽 * Andrew Bogut 曾入選一次三隊取1950-2010年之狀元排列，共61人。 Win Shares大致為球員生涯出賽數*勝率*貢獻比例的換算，對於生涯累積成就有一定的參考性，加上明星賽次數，個人認為雙雙接近中位數即可算達標。另外，版上之前有討論Glenn Robinson生涯成績在狀元中是否算中等偏下，大狗僅有明星賽入選次數達標中位數，列為中等偏下應無疑義。但列表中也可以看到超過三分之一的狀元打不出成績或生涯早早報銷，大狗的生涯基本上不能用失敗來形容，選到大狗也不是多倒楣的事情。大狗在公鹿生涯8年僅有99年縮水賽季場均得分低於20，而94年雙星中的Kidd才華及成就雖然遠高於大狗，但年輕時在達拉斯因為女色把休息室搞得烏煙瘴氣只待不到3季，所以即便開啟上帝視角那年穩勝大狗的人選大概也只有Grant Hill(或Eddie Jones也算一個)？ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 59.125.183.178 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1590370903.A.311.html

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