[外絮] McHale反擊Harden

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前文提要： https://goo.gl/XmGr6o https://goo.gl/T9NgUQ https://twitter.com/jonathan_feigen/status/916745644970250240 來源： https://goo.gl/DSCNX6 Kevin McHale continued his war of words with Houston Rockets star James Harden on Friday. 麥克海爾持續和哈登之間的口水戰 The former Rockets coach turned TV analyst had fired the opening salvo last week by declaring that Harden is "not a leader." Harden responded by calling McHale "a clown" and questioning his character. 前火箭教頭轉戰球評圈於上週在節目中開砲："Harden不是一名領袖"， 而哈登回應："你是一名小丑" "Calling me names is not going to change my opinion as to what I saw when I was there," McHale said Friday on TNT. "It's hard to have credibility if you don't play defense." 麥克海爾："即便你這麼稱呼我，也不會改變我對你的看法。 如果你不防守，很難擁有領袖的威信" McHale remained complimentary of Harden's basketball skills while explaining what he considers to be leadership. 麥克海爾在解釋他所認為的領袖時，並不吝於稱讚哈登的籃球技巧 "Harden is a hell of a basketball player, he really is," McHale said. "And to James' credit, I will say this: He organizes guys in the summer. He does a lot of stuff. He does a lot of those things. When I was talking more about leadership is ... it's a tie game at half. It's a playoff game, or you're playing another team that's tough and rumble, and they're going to get after you. And all of a sudden, with four minutes to go in the third, you're down nine. They're getting every loose ball, they're getting every rebound, they're doing all this stuff. It's not about skill at that point. It's about will. I gotta impose my will on you. James at that point gets a little bit ... that's not his personality. Chris Paul, in turn, will get in your face, go nose-to-nose with you, say, 'Hey, let's go,' and I think that's what you need. Draymond Green does a great job, whenever you need a spark. He's out there going jawing with somebody." "哈登是一個天殺的籃球好手，他的確是" "值得讚揚哈登的地方在於：夏天時他著召集了大家，他做了很多事情想幫助球隊更好。 但當我談到所謂領袖時... 是在中場比賽平手時、是在季後賽時， 或是你所屬的球隊打得很掙扎時，他們想跟隨著你，希望你有所作為。 當第三節還有四分鐘時，落後九分， 隊友拚搶每一個球權、籃板、做了任何他們可以做到的事... 在這個時候不關乎能力了，是關乎『意志力』，隊友們會寄望你帶領大家， 在這一點上，哈登做得有一點... 這不是他的人格特質 然而，保羅會當著你的面、鼻子碰鼻子的那種距離， 跟你說："嘿 來吧 我們可以的" ， 我想這是哈登所需要做的。 當你在比賽中需要一點激勵、火花時，追夢綠在這部分做得很棒。 [...剩下的略過翻譯，大抵是重述先前的口水戰] Houston acquired Paul during the offseason, and McHale has praised the move due to Paul's leadership abilities. "Chris Paul will have that leadership at those times where [Harden] gets a little bit introverted, a little bit quiet," McHale said Friday. "You saw the game with the Spurs, he gets to the point where he's just passive. And Chris Paul's not like that." McHale coached Harden for three-plus seasons in Houston. "He's a clown, honestly," Harden said after the Rockets' open practice Saturday, following McHale's initial comments. "I did anything and everything he asked me to do. I've tried to lead this team every day since I stepped foot here in Houston. To go on air and just downplay my name, when honestly he's never taught me anything to be a leader. ... "But I've done a great job. The organization, my coaches, you can ask any of those guys how I've worked extremely hard every single day to better [myself], obviously as a basketball player, but be a leader as well. To go on air and downplay my name like that, it just shows his character. I usually don't go back and forth on social media with anybody or with interviews, but I'm going to stand up for myself, and there it is. But you just don't go and do that. It shows what type of person he is." McHale was fired in November 2015 despite being only 11 games into a four-year, $12 million contract given to the coach in the wake of the Rockets' trip to the Western Conference finals the previous season. Harden believes that bitterness about the firing played a significant role in McHale criticizing him. "Sure. And I had nothing to do with it," Harden said. "I'm just here to do my job, compete at the highest level I can. But when you're here, you're face-to-face, and you're telling me one thing -- how great of a player you are, how you're lucky that he's able to be a part of this process -- and then you go back just a few years later and basically just say the opposite, it just shows your character, shows who you really are. I'm not that type of person. I don't operate that way. I don't say things to somebody behind their back or tell them one thing or go on air and say another thing." 心得： 前教頭vs明星球員 NBA休賽季間的口水戰很精彩啊！ 哈登認為自己很努力做到一個領袖該做的事， 顯然麥克海爾認為還不夠，甚至表示哈登的人格特質中並不具備領袖氣質。 球季要開打了，來看看保羅的加入是不是可以補上這個缺陷。 文長，若翻譯有不精確的地方請見諒，也歡迎賜教。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.116.174.229 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1507951735.A.606.html
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10/14 11:30, 6年前 , 1F
冰箱
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10/14 11:30, 6年前 , 2F
進攻端:地獄般的存在 防守端:天堂般的存在
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10/14 11:31, 6年前 , 3F
================== 冰箱閉嘴 ====================
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10/14 11:31, 6年前 , 4F
論球技鬍子已是頂尖
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10/14 11:31, 6年前 , 5F
只能說態度可以決定他的高度
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10/14 11:31, 6年前 , 6F
新球季做好防手不就好了
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10/14 11:32, 6年前 , 7F
冰箱說的不錯啊
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10/14 11:32, 6年前 , 8F
這回合冰箱微中肯 給箭頭
10/14 11:32, 8F
冰箱是說得蠻中肯的，也算是大家對哈登的疑惑之處，但我認為有點故意在炒新聞ＸＤ 不過多了保羅後，哈登的進攻壓力下降不少，可以在進攻端更省力， 能否多花心思和體力在防守端，這決定了火箭在季後賽能走多遠。
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10/14 11:32, 6年前 , 9F
雖然我才剛噴完鬍子防守 但冰箱這樣真不厚道
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10/14 11:32, 6年前 , 10F
"我們"靠防守贏球!
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10/14 11:32, 6年前 , 11F
冰箱現在是在幹嘛?
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10/14 11:33, 6年前 , 12F
雖然我才剛噴完鬍子防守 但冰箱這樣真不厚道
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10/14 11:33, 6年前 , 13F
前一篇冰箱本來就是褒貶都有 又不是指酸哈登
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10/14 11:33, 6年前 , 14F
然後鄉民看到某句話就高潮
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10/14 11:34, 6年前 , 15F
有其他隊球員推特上幫鬍子講話了 你冰箱應該是當教
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10/14 11:34, 6年前 , 16F
練時講這話 而不是當教練只會拍球員馬屁
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10/14 11:34, 6年前 , 17F
現在在裝聖明
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10/14 11:34, 6年前 , 18F
冰箱有本事就當教練的時候成功駕馭他阿....
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10/14 11:35, 6年前 , 19F
現在離開了才好像講得很客觀公正一樣有什麼用
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10/14 11:35, 6年前 , 20F
台北大學狗鼻?
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10/14 11:35, 6年前 , 21F
像鬍子說的 當教練時冰箱就一直稱讚他很棒 現在才噴
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開季後可以看看哈登在進攻壓力下降後的防守端表現， 若提升了 : 表示先前可能是因為進攻太累影響防守 -> 制服組交易達到效果 一樣爛 : 哈登自打臉，冰箱果然沒看走眼 冰箱中肯但可以吐槽的點很多， 啊你當教練的時候就沒辦法搞定哈登啊... 現在拿他出來鞭，豈不是證明你執教無能？
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10/14 11:36, 6年前 , 22F
冰箱當教練的時候幫哈登取得近年來火箭最多勝和西決
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10/14 11:36, 6年前 , 23F
啊
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10/14 11:36, 6年前 , 24F
這是離間計嗎？用 cp3 酸 harden，讓他反擊也不是，
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10/14 11:36, 6年前 , 25F
不酸也不是XD
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10/14 11:37, 6年前 , 26F
就事論事 跳針到戰績幹嘛？好笑
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※ 編輯: NTPU5566Kobe (122.116.174.229), 10/14/2017 11:40:15
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10/14 11:39, 6年前 , 27F
Will 不是翻希望
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我知道will應該翻成意志力會比較好，但考量後一句「I gotta impose my will on you」， 就覺得有點卡卡的，這邊該怎麼翻會比較順暢呢？
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10/14 11:40, 6年前 , 28F
冰箱只要打防守這點就不會輸了
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10/14 11:41, 6年前 , 29F
問題在於 冰箱明明很早就可以做卻不做
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10/14 11:41, 6年前 , 30F
特別是拿到草莓那年的先發 只要他強迫哈登防手
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10/14 11:41, 6年前 , 31F
那年的火箭根本不需要拉小貝上來
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10/14 11:42, 6年前 , 32F
看Harden為了想贏去年改變打法 就知道冰箱這教練做
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10/14 11:42, 6年前 , 33F
其實也沒錯啦 可是這樣出來說很難看
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10/14 11:42, 6年前 , 34F
得有多差了 批評這點不正給別人笑他是個爛教練搞不
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10/14 11:42, 6年前 , 35F
定陣中的王牌球員？
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還有 86 則推文
還有 3 段內文
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10/14 13:15, 6年前 , 122F
Will就是意念啦,要把意念傳達到對方身上
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10/14 13:16, 6年前 , 123F
用意念壓制對方，harden 不具備這層心智上的對戰
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10/14 13:16, 6年前 , 124F
回樓上，很愛冰球員
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10/14 13:17, 6年前 , 125F
想當初豪豪都被冰+哈登不防守又丟7秒炸彈
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10/14 13:18, 6年前 , 126F
全世界球迷誰不知道鬍子不防守，這還要辯嗎？
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10/14 13:19, 6年前 , 127F
MVP和領袖有個屁關係
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10/14 13:28, 6年前 , 128F
別說惹~當初幾位天王跟迷迷們可是很挺冰箱der~~
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10/14 13:29, 6年前 , 129F
有的都變退冰急先鋒惹。
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10/14 13:35, 6年前 , 130F
嘴綠一個救援
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10/14 13:39, 6年前 , 131F
哈登就玻璃心
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10/14 13:43, 6年前 , 132F
事後講這種話實在很不厚道
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10/14 13:53, 6年前 , 133F
當年火箭迷自己都說防守型小貝才能配哈登 林不適合
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10/14 13:54, 6年前 , 134F
白癡教練刷存在感
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10/14 13:54, 6年前 , 135F
中肯
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10/14 14:04, 6年前 , 136F
看去年跟馬刺關門戰就知道鬍子完全沒有意志力了
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10/14 14:06, 6年前 , 137F
他說得很對阿，哈登比起勝負，更在意自己出手權
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10/14 14:06, 6年前 , 138F
平常就算了，關鍵時刻還這樣搞，容易被針對打法
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10/14 14:07, 6年前 , 139F
不懂變通，對勝利執著也不夠，只能說是優秀球員
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10/14 14:07, 6年前 , 140F
但不會是好領袖
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10/14 14:43, 6年前 , 141F
講MVP那個 是閱讀能力不太行吧
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10/14 14:48, 6年前 , 142F
監視器防守嗨賴解釋了一切
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10/14 16:20, 6年前 , 143F
帶球隊的時候不說現在才放屁
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10/14 16:40, 6年前 , 144F
哈登有點領導力的話就不會噴回去變口水戰了 結案
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10/14 16:54, 6年前 , 145F
冰箱這部份說的還蠻正確的啊 他當時也冰過哈登
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10/14 17:04, 6年前 , 146F
冰箱說的沒錯，但是當教練時不能為了討好鬍子就不說
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10/14 17:05, 6年前 , 147F
全世界都知道JH的防守爛透了，身為教練就該督促他
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10/14 17:13, 6年前 , 148F
剛好下面有人提到Lowry，其實從這前例可以看出，有
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10/14 17:13, 6年前 , 149F
時候不見得是冰箱沒講，但真相也只有他們自己知道
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10/14 17:36, 6年前 , 150F
冰箱帶的火箭也不比去年差阿
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10/14 18:07, 6年前 , 151F
有點白爛 當教練不教 炒了才來嘴 替補你的還拿了coy
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10/14 18:13, 6年前 , 152F
證實了冰箱管不住當年的球霸哈登
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10/14 19:37, 6年前 , 153F
難道教練沒叫哈汀防守嗎?
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10/14 19:38, 6年前 , 154F
領袖風範是懂得反省和謙虛 跟以前的教練打口水戰?哈
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10/14 22:06, 6年前 , 155F
每個人本來就不同 大家都有各自的方式帶領球隊獲勝
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10/14 22:53, 6年前 , 156F
滿中肯的吧
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10/14 23:16, 6年前 , 157F
風向怎麼又變了？之前JH反擊時一面倒支持JH的去哪?
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10/15 01:17, 6年前 , 158F
冰箱先設計個戰術讓哈登不是永遠ios再說好嗎？還有
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10/15 01:17, 6年前 , 159F
讓他每場上去接近40分鐘再說他不防守
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10/15 15:11, 6年前 , 160F
原來上場40分鐘是可以不用防守的理由
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10/16 11:53, 6年前 , 161F
其實冰箱說得很中肯030
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