Re: [新聞] 詹姆斯抱怨:我只休2場 馬刺用了15年

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這篇報導可能受限於報紙版面, 精簡了原文,大意其實也沒有錯的很離譜, 不過太精簡的部分被無聊酸民見縫插針就有點超過了 https://goo.gl/49hHlt 原文如下,不過畢竟不是在翻譯外電文, 我只就LeBron回答媒體詢問的部分翻譯 LOS ANGELES -- With the topic of NBA players sitting out games for rest in the public spotlight after league commissioner Adam Silver issued a memo to all 30 teams about the problem, Cleveland Cavaliers superstar LeBron James says that all rest is not created equal. More to the point, James said that when he sits out a game -- as he did, along with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, in the Cavs' 108- 78 loss to the LA Clippers over the weekend -- it is viewed differently than when just about any other player in the NBA does the same. "I just know the conversation gets a little bit more talked about when I'm a part of it," James said before the Cavs practiced Tuesday on UCLA's campus. "If it's somebody else, it gets blown up a briefly, it gets talked about a little bit, but it doesn't have legs and it's gone. But as soon as I'm involved it's just a whole different situation." 今天騎士在UCLA校區練球,練完球後接受媒體訪問關於輪休風波 LBJ說 「我只是知道這之所以會變成風波是因為我是其中一員, 如果是別的球員,事件或許會放大一下,然後大家討論個幾秒然後就 回歸平靜了。但是當我牽涉在內的時候,事情就變得完全不一樣了。」 When Cavs coach Tyronn Lue was asked whether James' actions are judged differently, he responded, "You know that." 當媒體把這段話轉述給Lue聽並問他是否同意時, Lue回答「你們當然知道答案。」 James has played in 63 of the Cavs' 69 games this season, sitting out five games for rest and one because of strep throat. Now in his 14th season and coming off six straight Finals appearances, the 32-year-old James has maintained a high level of play, averaging 26.2 points on 54.3 percent shooting, a career-high 8.4 rebounds and a career-high 8.8 assists per game. While taking shots on the court before practice started, James wondered aloud whether anybody would mind him sitting if he were averaging only 16 points per game this season instead. Supporting James' position is the fact that Silver was compelled to reach out to teams after James and his teammates sat out, calling the decision "an extremely significant issue for our league" and threatening "significant penalties" in the future if the practice is continued, as first reported by ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, but failed to do so the week before when back-to-back MVP Stephen Curry and his Golden State Warriors teammates Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala were all held out of Golden State's prime-time Saturday night game against the San Antonio Spurs on ABC. Silver's memo also called for owners to be more involved in the decision-making process when it comes to holding out their players, according to Shelburne's report, which is a premise James found fault in. 席佛在對每個球隊發的信函中提到希望老闆們能多管管輪休這件事, 而LeBron則覺得要老闆來管很不合理。 "The owners be what? The owners be in the decision[-making process] of resting players?" an incredulous James asked. "There's owners that are not even around the teams. There's owners that are just owning the team because they just own the team. It's whatever. What does that make any sense of?" 「他要叫老闆做啥?叫老闆替球員輪休與否做決定? 別忘了有些老闆根本是不隨隊行動的,有些老闆就只是擁有 一隻球隊這麼簡單(純生意型的老闆)。要他們做什麼鬼? 要他們來做輪休決定真的很不合理。」 James was sure to smooth out any potential rift between he and Silver, but he reiterated his opinion that the "significant issue for our league" that the commissioner referred to was code for significant issue because of LeBron James. 當然雖然不認同席佛在這件事上的舉措,LeBron還是有試著 不讓兩人在這件事上的歧見擴大。 "Adam is great," James said. "Adam is fantastic. I love what Adam is doing for our league, but I don't see how [increased involvement from ownership would help]. I don't understand why it's become a problem now, because I sit out a couple games?" 「席佛很棒,他做了很多精彩的舉措。我愛席佛替我們聯盟做的事。 但是我是不知道要老闆介入輪休是有什麼意義在。我是不懂為什麼 輪休現在變成一個問題了,因為我這個月輪休了個兩場嗎?」 When a reporter suggested that it was not just a James issue when it comes to rest, the four-time MVP shot back: "That is the case. It's absolutely the case." 當一個記者試著回答說這並不是LeBron輪休才引起討論, LeBron打斷他並且說「這當然是,這絕對是原因。」 James pointed out that San Antonio's Gregg Popovich normalized the rest tactic years ago and the league tried to stop it through fines in the past -- the Spurs were penalized $250,000 in December 2012 for sending Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Danny Green home from a road trip and making them unavailable for San Antonio's game against James' then-team, the Miami Heat -- but that did not change anything. Since that fine, the Spurs have continued to periodically rest players and have made two NBA Finals and won a championship in that time. "You guys know the real," James said. "Listen, Pop's been doing this for 10 years, 12 years, 15 years and everybody was like, 'You know what? That's the smartest thing Pop has ever done. Give his guys a couple games off and here they go and win five championships. That's the smartest thing.' But some of our coaches in our league don't have the stature that Pop has and our head coach doesn't have it, so he gets killed for it. So I got to keep winning to help my coach be able to have a reason why he can sit his players." 「你們都知道實情,聽著,Pop已經有輪休的舉措十年,12年還15年了, 然後每個人的反應都是「你知道嗎?輪休真的是Pop最聰明的行為之一了! 讓球員休息個幾場,然後他們在這段期間內贏了五次冠軍。這真的很有智慧。」 但是我們聯盟裡大部分的教練並沒有Pop的資歷,我們的教練也沒有, 然後大家現在都在撻伐他。所以我應該要繼續贏球,讓我的教練也進入 Pop的境界,所以你們這些媒體就不會找他麻煩了吧~」 On Tuesday, Popovich said he understands the league's perspective but seems content to continue resting his players as he sees fit. 另外一邊Pop在受訪時則提到他雖然理解聯盟的角度, 但是他會繼續輪休球員。 "I would do the same thing if I was in [Silver's] shoes. But I think that just because we're coaches and GMs doesn't mean we don't understand or know what's going on with the business side," Popovich said. 「我如果和席佛易地而處我可能也會做一樣的事吧。但是因為 我們只是教練或是經理不代表我們不了解NBN商業化的一面。」 "We have definitely added years to people. So it's a trade- off," the Spurs coach explained. "You want to see this guy in this one game? Or do you want to see him for three more years in his career? And do you want to see him in the playoffs because he didn't get hurt because maybe he got rest and he was playing so much." Pop繼續說道 「我們的球員也是越打越多年了,所以這是個買賣,你想要在這一場 比賽中看到這個球員?還是你想要在他能再多打個3年球?你想要 看他在季後賽中奮鬥,因為他懂的休息所以即使他使用量大也 沒有受傷。」 James later joked that maybe he had to win two or three more championships with Lue so his coach would have the respect to make a rest decision for his players as Popovich does. Lue responded by saying, "I'm still new to this; I've only coached 95 games!" LeBron之後跟Lue開玩笑說他應該要幫Lue再多贏個2-3座冠軍, Lue就可以和Pop平起平坐,在輪休這件事上得到應有的尊重了。 Lue聽到後馬上說 「我還是個新手教練啦,我才執教95場哩!」 It's hard to imagine the rest issue disappearing over the final month of the regular season, as playoff-bound teams will be mapping out spots in the schedule in the coming weeks to pull their best players in order to save their legs for the postseason. The Cavs' next few games are particularly taxing, as they travel to the high altitude in Denver for a game Wednesday, followed by a back-to-back on Friday in Charlotte and then back home in Cleveland on Saturday against the Washington Wizards and then finish the flurry with a road game in San Antonio on Monday. 騎士接下來的賽程非常緊湊,他們是否還會輪休值得觀察。 When asked how he would manage his players in Cleveland's upcoming stretch, Lue said, "I don't know. Call the owner." Several Cavs team sources suggested to ESPN that the league policing rest could cause teams to resurrect an old practice in which they would invent an injury for one of their players to use as cover when his body simply required a night off. 當被問到未來幾場球有無輪休打算時, Lue回答「我不知道,去問球隊老闆!」 然而騎士高層也向ESPN透露如果聯盟執意要禁止輪休, 那只是讓90-2000年初期的狀況再度重演 -球隊會開始幫需要輪休的人編織受傷狀況 (注:的確,看球看不夠久的容易被一些人唬弄說古早人都不輪休的, 別忘了那是因為當時聯盟禁止用休息做不上場的藉口,但是每每到球季末, 你依然會看到很多球星因為各種奇怪的小傷DNP) "I've played through injuries my whole career," James added. "So I deserve to get a game [off] every now and then." LeBron最後說道 「我生涯中也是有不少傷勢但是我都沒有因此休息, 現在我認為我值得偶爾去休個一場兩場了。」 =========================== 心得: 1. 基本上如同以往,LeBron這兩天被記者追問的全部都是輪休的事, 有些推文說他抱怨個屁或是該低調低調,我是不知道話題都在輪休上, 要怎麼低調以對,還是該學西河,「輪休?那是什麼鬼?」這樣帶過? 2. 輪休跟賽程有很大關係,聯盟在賽程安排上,尤其全國無線台轉播的比賽 應該要做更妥善的安排,而不是倒果為因,為了電台時段而硬在緊湊的賽程 中安排比賽,這點我覺得是聯盟可以做到的。 3. 輪休不是LeBron帶起的,之前我有發過文說他生涯前九年都沒有 用休息做不上場的藉口過。而過去這3-4年全聯盟輪休風氣大盛, 近三年球員輪休場次幾乎成為等比級數在上升 (40 -> 150 -> 350) LeBron作為全聯盟過去這幾年總上場時間最多的人,加上今年也是 總上場時間前25名裡最老的人,看到一堆年輕人在休然後自己因為是 聯盟的票房保證之一所以不能休,那當然以他的角度而言也是很不公平 尤其聯盟這幾天的大動作,耆宿的批評,都伴隨著他的輪休而起, 這才是他之所以會這樣說的原因。 ※ 引述《pttpepe (Ptt屁屁)》之銘言: : 標題: [新聞] 詹姆斯抱怨:我只休2場 馬刺用了15年 : 時間: Wed Mar 22 09:36:43 2017 : : 根據《克里夫蘭老實人報》指出,針對近期多支球隊讓主力球員輪流休息,導致比賽的可 : 看性降低,對此,NBA總裁席爾佛已向30支球團老闆發出警告信函,要求各隊節制一點。 : 對此,騎士當家球星詹姆斯(LeBron James)抱怨,聯盟此舉是因為他這個月休息了2場, : 為何不檢討馬刺教頭帕波維奇運用這種方式已長達15年呢? : : 詹姆斯表示,「我喜歡席爾佛為聯盟所做的一切,但就是不了解他為何會在輪休這個議題 : 警告個球團,難道是因為我最近休息兩場比賽的緣故嗎?」 : : 詹姆斯緊接著說,你們知道嗎?帕波維奇讓球員輪休的方式已運用了10年、12年或是15年 : 了,而所有人都認為這是帕波維奇最明智之舉,這段期間他們拿到5座總冠軍耶! : : 詹姆斯狠狠打臉的表示,聯盟警告球團老闆有用嗎?老闆平日根本沒有和球隊在一起,他 : 們不管球員是否輪休,更何況泰隆盧才當總教練95場比賽,他還在學習如何管理球隊。 : : http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20170322001979-260403 : : : -- -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 108.41.234.145 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1490151886.A.56C.html

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推 認真
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去加盟馬刺啊,還是擔心去西區就連亞軍都沒有
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HATER是不看原文的
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躲東區了還休息噢 …
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其實就是因為他是姆斯才會被放大沒錯
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這傢伙會不會太自以為了 輪休被罵是因為他
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應該要跟教練講吧@@
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03/22 11:09, , 8F
不是因為他嗎 哈哈 你看某族群噴得多起勁啊
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不然今天騎士休JR+KI+KL會被罵嗎?
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因為母迷會到處攻擊 被放大剛好
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LBJ真的蠻會講話的 講話很得體
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沒辦法有些人看到LBJ就是酸XD
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你看gary等下就出現,還不是他
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樓上怎樣 再叫你家寵物喔 說教就叫?
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又躲東區了... 去年冠軍是誰?
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03/22 11:12, , 18F
.其實兩篇差不多啊 沒啥扭曲
03/22 11:12, 18F
我文章一開始就說大意沒錯囉,我沒說有扭曲 只是把原文放上來比較多細節部分可以參考而已

03/22 11:12, , 19F
乍看有點過於自信,不過說的沒錯啊
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二樓正解 但詹+波波可能其他隊都不用玩了
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既然詹迷這麼會翻譯 那麼請問curry兄弟感情很好的背
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景下 使用TALENTED是負面意思嗎?
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勇迷一堆人都很talented,不用去找別人 ^.<

03/22 11:13, , 23F
這幾天新聞吵了那麼多 就因為騎士輪休不是?
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補一堆人 上場時間還降不下來 怪我喔
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推 做什麼都不對 這就是聯盟第一人的難處
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整天去西區...阿是不回來東區喔! 你以為你老幾啊
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正常人眼中兩篇文章重點差不多,只是酸酸第一篇一直
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加盟馬刺 穩 絕對可以休息XD
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酸不得耶
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樓下360
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噴奇怪的點說LBJ在婊自己教練,結果原文根本相反...
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樓下360
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這跟前一篇差在那??
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可能你要去問第一篇下面一些奇怪的酸點吧

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我詹酸 但其實蠻中肯的 popo回應也很合理
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原文迷給推!
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雞蛋還怕挑不到骨頭,等會360示範給你看
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還有 143 則推文
還有 2 段內文
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簡單說我刺你騎他勇短時間內搞一堆輪休,被聯盟盯上
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是自己造成的!
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那你幹嘛加一個註解嗆Lue說要學不要只學一半....
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這句話意思不就是說Pop這樣比較對 Lue比較不對嗎
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樓上K大別這樣 他很森77 多打幾句還好
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好啦 只要事情扯到你詹就完全不一樣 這樣可以吧
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怕拿第五座亞軍當然要休啊
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LBJ仍然是實質上的NBA第一人啊
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這事件本來就是因為他牽涉在內才鬧這麼大
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他也沒必要妄自菲薄吧
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推!!
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中肯推
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看完了 哭哭腿 無誤
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球員,休息沒什麼不對,只是別讓球迷權益被剝奪,
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要有補償機制。只是用了這招,難免會招受批評,也
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不需回應,也別牽拖馬刺,做自己認為對的事,季後
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賽就好好回饋球迷。NBA當局也該檢討賽制了,賽季減
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少比賽,季後賽就東西區統一取前八名出來比賽。
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看酸酸回應會笑死
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大聯盟先發投手:你也懂輪休?
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富姦:輪休率不達到50%的話,人生到老年的時候,就
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只剩下一堆籃球的回憶了!
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kart這ID?你們是發現沒有比他專業,所以看到他就要
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噓嗎XD
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重點是其他輪休的 有在講 退休才休息的霸氣嗎XD
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酸的腦完全放棄思考了阿 不意外
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輪休練練板凳也沒啥不好,又不是湘北隊先發操到死
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推翻譯,最愛看這種深度打臉文了%%%
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酸酸不需要輪休啊XD
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推詳細翻譯,我想看LBJ多打幾年,拜託他上場時間少
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一點
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對號入座
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完整文章跟原本新聞差太多了 台霉體真的爛..
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酸酸真辛苦
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大推
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有時候覺得遇到講不聽的的人好痛苦...,推你中肯
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人家輪休比賽照樣拉鋸,這全聯盟最貴球隊輪休
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直接放棄比賽XDD 買門票的可以退錢嗎
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