[外絮] Gasol當年告訴灰熊老闆:弟弟能比我更出色已回收

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The meeting did not go well. At a hotel restaurant in Memphis in February 2008, Chris Wallace, the general manager of the Grizzlies, was trying to explain to Agusti and Marisa Gasol, the parents of Pau Gasol, why he had just traded their son to the Lakers. 2008年2月，灰熊隊總經理Chris Wallace在一家餐館中試圖向Pau Gasol的父母解釋， 為什麼要交易他們的兒子去湖人。 Despite the obvious professional upgrade for their son, the parents weren’t all that keen on the move. They lived in Memphis. They had had one son in high school, a roly-poly, 3-point shooting leviathan named Marc. They had another one in high school at the time, another big boy, Adria, who would eventually make the UCLA team as a walk-on. After the Gasols made their sentiments known, Wallace patiently explained why he dealt their son to the Lakers. The Grizzlies had to do something. There was little to no interest in the team. They were not winning with Pau. He was their only asset. Again, he had to do something! 在Gasol父母表露自己的態度之後，Wallace耐心說到，球隊必須有所行動，擁有Pau Gasol的球隊贏不了比賽，他是球隊唯一（可以利用）的資產。 He then turned his attention to Marc, whose draft rights had been acquired in the deal and politely said to the Gasols, “Now, let me explain to you why we want to sign your other son.” 然後他開始將注意力轉移到Pau的弟弟Marc身上，“現在，讓我來解釋一下為什麼要 簽下你們的另一個兒子。” A few months later, the Lakers made their first of three straight trips to the NBA Finals, winning back-to-back championships in 2009 and 2010. Three weeks after Pau made his first NBA Finals appearance in 2008, the Grizzlies announced they had signed Marc. 在這筆交易之後，Pau Gasol幫助湖人連續3年殺入總決賽，並連續贏下2009與2010年 總冠軍。而在Pau Gasol首次亮相總決賽三週後，灰熊宣布簽下了Marc。 It had not been an easy sell. Wallace had to fight off the Spanish suitors who wanted to keep Marc in Spain, where he had emerged as an MVP. Michael Heisley, the Grizzlies owner at the time, had to be convinced to shell out more than $3 million per year for the untested kid – the 48th pick in the 2007 draft – and decided to ask his former star for advice. The two had remained close even after the deal. The conversation went something like this. 當時灰熊隊需要擊敗西班牙的競爭者，還要支付這位48順位的球員每年超過300萬年薪。 這不是一個輕鬆的選擇，當時灰熊隊老闆Heisley與Pau Gasol有如下對話。 Heisley: “Is your brother worth the money and commitment?” Heisley：“你的兄弟值得這些錢和承諾？” Pau: “Yes, my brother is improving rapidly. Yes, he can play. And, Mr. Heisley, my brother can be better than me.” Pau:“是的，我弟弟進步很快，他能打球。還有，Heisley先生，我的弟弟能夠變得比 我更出色。” Now, five years later, is it time to finally let Wallace out of the NBA stocks? He was roasted from pillar to post for making the deal, the criticism coming from some big names (Gregg Popovich, Mark Cuban) and not so big ones (most NBA writers, including yours truly.) 這筆交易已經過去了5年，而Marc Gasol幫助球隊歷史上首次殺入了西部決賽。這 5年 間，Wallace因為這筆交易收到了很多批評，包括一些名人（庫班，波波維奇）和一些 不怎麼出名的人（大部分NBA寫手等等）。 Mostly, the criticism was that the deal helped an already strong Lakers’ team but, as Wallace said, “They had the best package. What are we supposed to do, get less for Pau because people don’t like the Lakers?” 而大多數的批評是他的這筆交易幫助湖人更強壯，Wallace 說道，“我們能說啥呢?湖 人那包最讚阿，還是要Pau去別隊，只因為湖人很討厭?” http://voice.hupu.com/nba/1418426.html 原文：http://tinyurl.com/qjgjs4g -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.47.225.179
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05/27 22:08, , 1F
現在可以拋嘎獸換小嘎獸+軟豆腐 我湖小虧
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一來可讓小嘎獸回歸我湖 又可讓嘎獸在灰熊光榮退休
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05/27 22:09, , 3F
我湖?
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我湖勉為其難還是可以接受的
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05/27 22:09, , 5F
當初喊搶劫的鄉民 如今安在?
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05/27 22:10, , 6F
湖人ㄏㄏ
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05/27 22:11, , 7F
這是嘎獸想去湖人的陰謀吧
05/27 22:11, 7F
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05/27 22:11, , 8F
是搶劫沒錯啊
05/27 22:11, 8F
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05/27 22:11, , 9F
我還是覺得哥哥比較強
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05/27 22:11, , 10F
我在 所以呢 還是搶劫啊
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05/27 22:12, , 11F
搶劫無誤
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05/27 22:12, , 12F
另外當年m.gasol只是潛力，誰都不能保證潛力會變實力
05/27 22:12, 12F
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05/27 22:12, , 13F
還是搶劫
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噓
05/27 22:12, , 14F
灰熊要培養兩個人 雙贏?
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05/27 22:12, , 15F
說不搶的人才是事後諸葛吧
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05/27 22:13, , 16F
POP:你沒事丟嘎受過去湖人幹嘛! 害我少了兩冠
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05/27 22:13, , 17F
當年誰知道小嘎受會不會變oden，依舊是搶劫
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05/27 22:13, , 18F
Gasol家還有一個在讀大學的小弟喔，如果有球探說
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05/27 22:13, , 19F
我湖農場 孟斐斯
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05/27 22:14, , 20F
小小Gasol未來會比兩個哥哥都強，你會相信嗎？
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05/27 22:14, , 21F
以投資觀點 這麼晚才回收的確是搶劫
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05/27 22:14, , 22F
啥鬼話 哥哥強太多
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05/27 22:15, , 23F
沒眼光的就只看的到潛力 有眼光的看到的就不一樣囉
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05/27 22:15, , 24F
明明就是湖人農場
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05/27 22:15, , 25F
只是運氣好的結果論 灰熊賭的不能算小
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05/27 22:15, , 26F
即便是現在的Marc，也未必比二連霸時的Pau強啊？
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05/27 22:15, , 27F
反正要被清了 主力也老化
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05/27 22:16, , 28F
眼光差的人就只能自我安慰囉!
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05/27 22:16, , 29F
P.Gasol不早點講...都被湖人選走了才....
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05/27 22:17, , 30F
你願意賣你家房子去買「以後可能會大漲」的股票嗎？
05/27 22:17, 30F
噓
05/27 22:17, , 31F
灰熊花一堆時間養兩個人 湖人直接撿來馬上拿兩冠
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05/27 22:17, , 32F
P.Gasol當年正值巔峰，怎麼看都是灰熊虧啊
05/27 22:17, 32F
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05/27 22:18, , 33F
沒有人在乎灰熊當時需求~裝什麼正義~真是可笑
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05/27 22:18, , 34F
農場確認
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05/27 22:18, , 35F
灰熊花一堆時間養兩個人 湖人直接撿來馬上2冠
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05/27 22:18, , 36F
本來就是搶劫阿 養了不知道幾年才打出來 叫很好?
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05/27 22:18, , 37F
2冠換5年西區決賽 這樣賺???? 搶劫好嗎
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05/27 22:19, , 38F
進攻能力有哥哥好?
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05/27 22:19, , 39F
當時灰熊還有賣球隊傳聞和薪資空間運作考量，不過戴
05/27 22:19, 39F
還有 205 則推文
還有 2 段內文
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05/28 01:21, , 245F
當然是搶劫阿2冠是空氣嗎 灰熊重建了那麼久
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小加索那年度防守 還是差哥哥一級阿 沒有懸念的問題
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05/28 01:30, , 247F
Sephiroth大正解，當年就是清薪資+賭未來
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至於搶不搶劫不予置評，反正熊是拿到他想要的東西
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05/28 01:33, , 249F
至於誰奪冠，乾他屁事~我只看到一堆人腦補XD
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要是湖人當年沒拿兩冠，保證一堆人會說早知道別交易
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噓
05/28 01:45, , 251F
湖迷還不快拜.沒麻繩輸球責任要推給誰?
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05/28 02:38, , 252F
就算雙贏好了 大概是賺10塊 湖人賺100萬的程度
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05/28 02:39, , 253F
^灰熊
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05/28 03:27, , 254F
還有人在推重建久 XD 那那些簽狀元的怎麼辦阿
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搶劫應該要一方不願意才叫被搶吧
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05/28 03:43, , 256F
Lakers那包就當時最好，灰熊爽爽賣
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05/28 03:43, , 257F
你頂多說湖人賺翻了，但到底哪裏搶劫
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05/28 04:04, , 258F
退一萬步來講 就算是灰熊賺10塊 湖人賺100萬好了
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也要怪當初其他隊連10塊都不給灰熊賺呀
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05/28 04:06, , 260F
事實就是當初就是沒有球隊願意出更符合灰熊需求的包
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我還是覺得哥哥強 而哥哥去了湖人拿兩冠了 弟還早
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也要想想大的第一輪12連敗,小的進來才多久就老八傳奇
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裹來換P.Gasol 然後責怪湖人搶走了?
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05/28 07:07, , 264F
一個已經養好的 換一個還不知道養成怎樣的
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有人是不懂風險是什麼嗎??
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05/28 07:08, , 266F
你要不要拿一個天堂LV60的帳號 換一個LV20的帳號
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噓
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結論:我湖小虧
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Marc Gasol生涯的PER沒有超過20 Pau 連續十季
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05/28 07:21, , 269F
即使Marc有比較好的防守 看不出Marc能超越Pau
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05/28 07:47, , 270F
樓上~我倒認為你不懂交易~難道灰熊還要花錢去買一個
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她不想要的包裹?
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05/28 07:52, , 272F
XD
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05/28 07:53, , 273F
你的分析完完全全把灰熊的需求當屁
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05/28 08:32, , 274F
大家不是員工也非股東甚至公民，別太任真阿...
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05/28 09:05, , 275F
拿天堂來比 超幽默
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05/28 09:18, , 276F
這篇也算是年經文了
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05/28 10:28, , 277F
可是P.Gasol在灰熊一場季後賽都贏不了，弟弟可是幫
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球隊打到西冠...
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05/28 11:15, , 279F
2冠是因為還有Kobe酸酸無視喔 當時的灰熊沒人跟Pau配
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Pau在灰熊可是季後賽0勝
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所以灰熊直接清新資重建看未來是很正常的
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一樓你是有困難喔 每天你湖小虧 虧殺小?
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樓上你也太認真了，easy~easy~
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湖迷還沒醒? 還在雙贏
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